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Offline Gwaredd Thomas

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Re: I am considering sedevacantism
« Reply #225 on: November 03, 2017, 09:19:14 AM »
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  • Nothing was omitted; God never expects the impossible from any of us.  To believe there is no pope at this time of our existence would be the same as what is prayed during Mass when one pope dies till another can be validly elected.  Interregnum!  

    During that part, the priest prays for the intention of the Church which is the same as praying for the intention of a True pope, In otherwords, a True pope always has the intention of the Church before him. therefore there is no displeasure.  

    Read this short link here recently:   https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/praying-for-the-pope's-intentions-not-really/

      
    It's not my habit to argue over semantics, so I'll just leave it at that.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #226 on: November 03, 2017, 10:18:19 AM »
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  • It's not my habit to argue over semantics, so I'll just leave it at that.
    Well yes, but when dealing with the Truth, words and their meanings are important.  This is the reason why Latin is the official language of the Church since it is a dead language and the words do not change meanings.  
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #227 on: November 03, 2017, 11:54:43 AM »
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  • This is the same SSPX that uses and/or defends the butchered 1962 Missal? Actually the Sedevacantists who use the pre-1955 Missal are the ones who are being more faithful to Quo Primum.
    Like most of these types of "discussions", they will go on and on and go nowhere.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #228 on: November 03, 2017, 12:24:03 PM »
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  • But wait dogma says the above "pope" must be considered Pope. Stubborn's dogma that is.
    It is really, truly amazing just how effectively dogmatic sedevacantism blinds it's adherents. Simply amazing. For their own good, the last thing sedes should ever read is cuм ex - I say this lest you be guilty of invoking Pope Paul IV in behalf of your errors. To do so is said to invoke not only the wrath of Almighty God, but also of the Blessed Apostles Sts. Peter and Paul.

    Fr. Jenkins, who is a self professed sede in the video, sums up the whole communications break down issue when he said: "I don't even consider them (dogmatic sedes) to be traditional Catholics".  It is for this reason that Catholics and dogmatic sedes do not speak the same language.

    Hopefully you will understand this - do not say the pope is not the pope because it is a dogma of the Church that those who say the pope is not the pope, anathematize them self.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #229 on: November 03, 2017, 12:57:49 PM »
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  • I am a revert to the faith since around 2010. I came into the church under pope Benedict 16. I have studied as much of the faith as I am able to comprehend. I am certainly no theologian and actually more of a tradesman. A couple of things have been persuading me that the sedevecantist are correct. Comparing the church we have now to what it was before V2 it seems clear that a defacto new religion was created. I know that dogma has remained the same however the actual teaching of priests and bishops ignores much pre v2 morality. There is no preaching on sɛҳuąƖ morality including contraception or adultery, no preaching on confession or sin, no preaching on our duty as Catholics to obey church teaching. I don't see how the current church bears any resemblance to what my Catholic ancestors experienced. Now we have a pope that is sort of just rolling out policy after policy that seems to diminish the churches teachings for example Amoris Lateticia. Any thought on why you don't flee the church are welcome. God Bless!
    my thoughts exactly
    except that Jesus still abides at least in SOME Churches. You may have to look long and hard to find Him but he has not utterly abandoned us. The priests have largely abandoned him but... well, we know Jesus is not exactly revenge-minded...?
    laugh
    He loves us even when we desert him ... and we always do when we distract ourselves away from him ..sigh
    anyway, where was I?
    I forgot
    Anyway, yeh, some Churches these days are not Catholic Churches and i say they are... ditch-worthy. I have ditched several.
    But if you find a Church where at least the parishioners are not all heretics... well, the People are the Church in many ways...


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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #230 on: November 03, 2017, 01:41:33 PM »
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    God, taking away the Chair of Truth and His church, is all over the bible, not just 3 Kings 9:5-7!
    ^^^^Dogmatic sede.

    I am with Fr. Jenkins on this, I also don't consider you to be Catholic at all.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #231 on: November 03, 2017, 03:32:20 PM »
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  • On the contrary...it is YOU who is being dogmatic. YOU keep bringing up dogma, which is in fact your false interpretation of dogma. I am the one saying that sedevacantism is the correct position to take in this stage of the apostasy. It is the Catholic position since it presumes DOLUS (not innocence) in a public heretic.

    We have dogma in order to "bring it up", that's what it's there for - to bring it up in an effort to correct those who say the pope is not the pope, to let them know they will end up in hell if they keep saying it.


    Pope Paul IV condemns YOUR ERRORS. You are the one who accepts the heretic, clown nose, blasphemous beanie brain Bergoglio as a true Catholic Pope, not Pope Paul IV nor myself.
    You continue to bring up the same garbage Stubborn. Fr. Jenkins is a Sedevacantist. He would refute your illogical position. You are the one who keeps bringing up dogma. Just address the arguments or not.  

    Pope Paul IV condemns the heretics in office, he's not condemning me grasshopper, have you ever actually read cuм ex? It doesn't look like you have as well you shouldn't. You should also watch the video - Fr. Jenkins is the one who said dogmatic sedes like yourself are not Catholic - and I agree with him so again, you demonstrate you don't know what you're even saying - but won't let that stop you.

    Stubborn your hypocrisy is astounding. You just spent nearly your whole post condemning dogmatic sedevacantists, yet as I have stated numerous times, YOU are the one being dogmatic. Thanks for proving me right.

    You call my quoting of the dogma that condemns you my hypocrisy, my dogma and my heresy. Whatever. 
    Just do yourself a favor and stop saying the pope is not the pope, it's for your own good. 
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #232 on: November 03, 2017, 03:35:47 PM »
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    Stubborn, remember that the Pharisees called Jesus a devil, so I don't consider one word that you gutturally, utter!  We already know, you are with heretics!  Its amazing though, that you reject the scriptures plain words of punishments from God.
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    If you have children, I pity your children, for their sake.
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    God said "Thou art peter and upon this rock I will build my Church..."

    You say, "No God, you don't know what you're doing, I do, but you don't, but don't worry, I'll handle the situation, all I need to do is reject your law and all the teachings of the Church to do it."

    And you pity me? HA! What an idiot!
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #233 on: November 04, 2017, 04:52:16 AM »
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  • I guess I can't really pity you because first, you're the best anti-Dimond Bro advertisement we have, next, you repeatedly anathematize your self for no reason at all, condemning those who refuse to do the same, all of your own free will you made yourself a deaf and blind fool.

    How long were you a Protestant?

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #234 on: November 05, 2017, 10:21:04 AM »
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  • When you made these comments were you looking in your mirror?  You were!
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    "you're the best anti-Dimond Bro advertisement we have"
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    Really, explain that one!?
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    No, those comments are directed at you - you're the dogmatic sedevacantist here, you're the one who is another willing victim of the Dimond fools.

    Tell me, when you read the below dogmas, what do you understand them to say? I wonder because it seems that to you, these dogmas are likened to the Tower of Babel, you seem to be prevented from understanding them at all.
     
    “Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” - Unam Sanctam, Pope Boniface VIII

    "Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema." - First Vatican Council, Pope Pius IX
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #235 on: November 05, 2017, 12:38:25 PM »
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  • Do you know that a man can become a martyr in the Catholic Church for dying for any one of Her dogmas? Did you know that?

    If you killed me (as it seems you'd like to lol), for stubbornly defending the eternal truth of those dogmas which I have been defending against your heretical Dimond errors, heretical Scripture misinterpretations and blatant rejection of those same dogmas, I would go straight to heaven a martyr for defending the Church's dogma after you killed me - do you realize that?

    You OTOH, are defending absolutely nothing whatsoever - save your own opinion. If you died defending your opinion against defined dogma, what a terrible, eternal tragedy that would be for you. Do you realize that? 


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #236 on: November 05, 2017, 10:52:15 PM »
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  • "Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema." - Pope Pius IX, First Vatican Council
    Pope Pius IX word is good enough for me.

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #237 on: November 05, 2017, 10:56:01 PM »
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  • Pope Pius IX word is good enough for me.
    And? 

    Rhetorical, for you'll just feign engagement to avoid same, which is yet another example of the wisdom of the children of this world. 
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #238 on: November 06, 2017, 12:26:08 AM »
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    The deplorable Dimond brothers strike again!  What a mess they've built up with their deception.
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    Do you know that a man can become a martyr in the Catholic Church for dying for any one of Her dogmas? Did you know that? 

    If you killed me (as it seems you'd like to lol), for stubbornly defending the eternal truth of those dogmas which I have been defending against your heretical Dimond errors, heretical Scripture misinterpretations and blatant rejection of those same dogmas, I would go straight to heaven a martyr for defending the Church's dogma after you killed me - do you realize that? 

    You OTOH, are defending absolutely nothing whatsoever - save your own opinion. If you died defending your opinion against defined dogma, what a terrible, eternal tragedy that would be for you. Do you realize that? 
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #239 on: November 06, 2017, 08:23:32 AM »
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  • I can imagine his irrelevant response now "I will remain the Pope's good subject, but God's first".
    ... after he gets whined at about the word "submit".
    "Lord, have mercy".