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Offline Stubborn

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Re: I am considering sedevacantism
« Reply #180 on: November 02, 2017, 05:02:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on November 02, 2017, 04:53:07 AM
    You, sir, have not proven that Matthew 16:18 teaches any such thing.  And yes, I won't respond to anything you write until you have Catholic teaching that teaches that the Vicar of Christ can be the Head of Christ's Church and various false churches at the same time.  
    Ah, so you're not done. I don't fully understand why you need it to be proved that Our Lord meant what He said, or that Pope Pius IX at V1 meant what he said.

    We know that the sedes all believe we must blindly submit to the pope in his teachings. Yet here we have Pope Pius IX teaching we're anathema if we say the pope isn't the pope, but the sedes are not only not submitting to it, they revolt against it.  :confused:  
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #181 on: November 02, 2017, 05:11:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 02, 2017, 05:02:37 AM
    Ah, so you're not done. I don't fully understand why you need it to be proved that Our Lord meant what He said, or that Pope Pius IX at V1 meant what he said.

    We know that the sedes all believe we must blindly submit to the pope in his teachings. Yet here we have Pope Pius IX teaching we're anathema if we say the pope isn't the pope, but the sedes are not only not submitting to it, they revolt against it.  :confused:  
    Yep, you still haven't proven that Our Lord stated that His Vicar can be the Head of false churches in addition to His One True Church.  

    Nothing you have quoted teaches any such thing. 
     
    But I suspect you know that. 

    By the way, Stubborn are sedevacantists Catholic?  Yes or No.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #182 on: November 02, 2017, 05:18:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on November 02, 2017, 05:11:16 AM
    Yep, you still haven't proven that Our Lord stated that His Vicar can be the Head of false churches in addition to His One True Church.  

    Nothing you have quoted teaches any such thing.
     
    But I suspect you know that.

    By the way, Stubborn are sedevacantists Catholic?  Yes or No.
    Just you don't keep saying the pope is not the pope, no matter what anyone else says, you don't say it and don't believe it.

    I've met sedes who are Catholic (those who only doubt, "the doubting sede"), but dogmatic sedes? - no, in my opinion, they are not Catholic, they not only will never make it, they have no hope of making it - that's dogma. But as long as they're alive, there's always hope.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #183 on: November 02, 2017, 05:22:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 02, 2017, 05:18:47 AM
    Just you don't keep saying the pope is not the pope, no matter what anyone else says, you don't say it and don't believe it.

    >> Clear as mud. 

    I've met sedes who are Catholic (those who only doubt, "the doubting sede"), but dogmatic sedes? - no, in my opinion, they are not Catholic, they not only will never make it, they have no hope of making it - that's dogma. But as long as they're alive, there's always hope.

    >> So much for "Yes or no"

    >> Doubting is one thing, declaring the opposite is another.

    >> Snake-tongued Stubborn, true to form.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #184 on: November 02, 2017, 05:31:25 AM »
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    • ^^^^ You are a lost cause - too many years in the NO is my guess. Still, for your own sake, stop saying and promoting the pope is not the pope. I know you wrongly believe that such a thing as that is a terrible heresy, but it isn't, it's for your own good. 
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #185 on: November 02, 2017, 05:37:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 02, 2017, 05:31:25 AM
    ^^^^ You are a lost cause - too many years in the NO is my guess. Still, for your own sake, stop saying and promoting the pope is not the pope. I know you wrongly believe that such a thing as that is a terrible heresy, but it isn't, it's for your own good.
    "^^^" Says the HERETIC. 

    May as well take piety tips from Arius.
    Liar.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #186 on: November 02, 2017, 05:40:11 AM »
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    • Unless your cussing, you're pretty much and incoherent sede.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #187 on: November 02, 2017, 05:43:43 AM »
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    • Perspective check: note very carefully

    1. The number of posts of the OP
    2. The lag
    3. The results/consequences

    This strongly resembles the kinds of ops that Satanists mount.

    The Devil is as old as time, and his inspirations are very real.

    We are in a war.

    Wake up. Capture is only an option in the eternal sense.

    You should mind the people that whisper to, or side-bars with, you most carefully.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #188 on: November 02, 2017, 05:45:56 AM »
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    • "Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema." - Pope Pius IX, First Vatican Council
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #189 on: November 02, 2017, 05:47:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 02, 2017, 05:40:11 AM
    Unless your cussing, you're pretty much and incoherent sede.
    Unless you're lying, you're pretty much silent.

    Coherent enough, heretic?
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #190 on: November 02, 2017, 05:52:10 AM »
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    • You make way, way too many false accusations to ever be taken seriously - even when you're understandable.

    But I gotta give you credit when it's due - you did give good advise in your other post when you said "You should mind the people that whisper to, or side-bars with, you most carefully."

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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #191 on: November 02, 2017, 05:56:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 02, 2017, 05:52:10 AM
    You make way, way too many false accusations to ever be taken seriously - even when you're understandable.

    But I gotta give you credit when it's due - you did give good advise in your other post when you said "You should mind the people that whisper to, or side-bars with, you most carefully."
    Note: rarely, if ever, SIMPLY answers "Yes or no".

    Check the heretic's past posts, back to front likewise carefully, and mine as well while you're at it.

    "No one has a good enough memory to be a good liar."

    A. Lincoln, allegedly at least.

    "NON SERVIAM"

      Stubborn the First.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #192 on: November 02, 2017, 05:59:21 AM »
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    • It wasn't a yes or no answer, too many different choices of sedes out there for it to be a yes or no answer. At least I answered with what my opinion is in the matter.

    How long were you a NOer or are you one still? I have met a few sedes who were also NO, a few EENSers who were NO too.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #193 on: November 02, 2017, 06:01:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on November 02, 2017, 05:31:25 AM
    ^^^^ You are a lost cause - too many years in the NO is my guess. Still, for your own sake, stop saying and promoting the pope is not the pope. I know you wrongly believe that such a thing as that is a terrible heresy, but it isn't, it's for your own good.
    Stubborn, you are too much! 
    Bergoglio is the embodiment of the Novus Ordo, but it is wrong to be “in the NO”, but he’s still the pope, but you don’t have to submit to him, but you do have to be subject to him (Stubborn ‘s personal definition of subject), but, you can think he’s a heretic just as long as you don’t *completely* doubt he is pope!

     Do you see how convoluted and circular your thinking is?
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #194 on: November 02, 2017, 06:05:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Recusant Sede on November 02, 2017, 06:01:59 AM
    Stubborn, you are too much!
    Bergoglio is the embodiment of the Novus Ordo, but it is wrong to be “in the NO”, but he’s still the pope, but you don’t have to submit to him, but you do have to be subject to him (Stubborn ‘s personal definition of subject), but, you can think he’s a heretic just as long as you don’t *completely* doubt he is pope!

     Do you see how convoluted and circular your thinking is?
    It all starts at the dogma. Go from there and your confused conclusion above should clear right up. All we need to do is remain the popes' good subject (but God's first), or no human creature will never make it to heaven.
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