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Offline lepantoh

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I am considering sedevacantism
« on: October 20, 2017, 11:56:51 PM »
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    • I am a revert to the faith since around 2010. I came into the church under pope Benedict 16. I have studied as much of the faith as I am able to comprehend. I am certainly no theologian and actually more of a tradesman. A couple of things have been persuading me that the sedevecantist are correct. Comparing the church we have now to what it was before V2 it seems clear that a defacto new religion was created. I know that dogma has remained the same however the actual teaching of priests and bishops ignores much pre v2 morality. There is no preaching on sɛҳuąƖ morality including contraception or adultery, no preaching on confession or sin, no preaching on our duty as Catholics to obey church teaching. I don't see how the current church bears any resemblance to what my Catholic ancestors experienced. Now we have a pope that is sort of just rolling out policy after policy that seems to diminish the churches teachings for example Amoris Lateticia. Any thought on why you don't flee the church are welcome. God Bless!
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 01:04:25 AM »
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    • Read this 2015 ebook concerning Francis, important prophecies pertaining to these times, and the Illuminati-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ plans.  It is so relevant to what you are saying.

    Yes, Francis is certainly an anti-Pope for he is a heretic.

    https://moimunnanblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/the_last_pope_ebook.pdf
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 01:19:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freedom on October 21, 2017, 01:12:49 AM
    Maria Regina, are the other claimants to the Papacy, of the vatican II sect, Popes or antipopes i.e. John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI?
    Right now, after extensive reading and research, I have come to the conclusion that all the popes who planned for, participated in, or defended the Docuмents of Vatican II, including Pius XII who set up Diocesan Liturgical Commissions and who allowed the vernacular in the Mass during World War II, were all anti-Popes, but Francis takes the cake. He is the worst of the worst.

    Freedom, have you read this 2015 ebook?
    https://moimunnanblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/the_last_pope_ebook.pdf

    It has a lot of information in its 250+ pages that you will find very interesting as it is very well researched. Share it with the Dimond Brothers too.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 01:27:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: lepantoh on October 20, 2017, 11:56:51 PM
    Any thought on why you don't flee the church are welcome. God Bless!
    What Freedom says is brief and good enough, I won't add anything for now. I do not have time to read much here lately, my question is where does Freedom go to receive the sacraments and where would you go?
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 01:31:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freedom on October 21, 2017, 01:22:50 AM
    Are all the priests who were ordained in the new rite of ordination, are they valid priests?  Do you go to a Novus Ordo church on Sunday?

    No. I have not been to a Novus Ordo Mass since 1993, nor have I received communion in those churches. I do not believe that they have the Divine Presence of Christ in their tabernacles.

    All the priests ordained in the new Vatican II-inspired rite of ordination should examine their hearts. If they are offered a corrective ordination and a corrective baptism and confirmation by a validly ordained bishop, and they refuse, then something is wrong.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 06:03:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: lepantoh on October 20, 2017, 11:56:51 PM
    I am a revert to the faith since around 2010. I came into the church under pope Benedict 16. I have studied as much of the faith as I am able to comprehend. I am certainly no theologian and actually more of a tradesman. A couple of things have been persuading me that the sedevecantist are correct. Comparing the church we have now to what it was before V2 it seems clear that a defacto new religion was created. I know that dogma has remained the same however the actual teaching of priests and bishops ignores much pre v2 morality. There is no preaching on sɛҳuąƖ morality including contraception or adultery, no preaching on confession or sin, no preaching on our duty as Catholics to obey church teaching. I don't see how the current church bears any resemblance to what my Catholic ancestors experienced. Now we have a pope that is sort of just rolling out policy after policy that seems to diminish the churches teachings for example Amoris Lateticia. Any thought on why you don't flee the church are welcome. God Bless!
    Yes, dogma can never change.

    What about this dogma, given to us by Pope Boniface VIII in his Bull, Unam Sanctam in 1302?
    "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

    If you choose sedevacantism which you are considering, since you cannot be subject to one you do not believe exists, how, per the above dogma, will you be able to get to heaven?

    I will refer you to this post.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 09:03:39 AM »
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    • While it is true Francis is out of his Catholic mind, it is also ridiculous to pretend he isn't Pope. Sedevacantists are like transgender ppl. They want the rest of us to pretend things aren't what they are. Francis sits in the seat, possess the accoutrements, holds the power, has visible recognition, etc. Saying he's a heretic and not the Pope accomplishes nothing. Sedevacantism is nothing but a bunch of finger-pointing. It's a ruse they use in order to shed the responsibility for the crisis in the church we all share. Like Christ, while working out our road to heaven, WE must maintain truth, resist error, suffer and die. Keep the Faith! Francis would have no authority over us unless it were given him from above. Remember, you never have to do what's wrong or obey a false teaching. Francis has never asked you to do anything, so carry on fully Catholic.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 09:35:00 AM »
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    • I have found peace of soul within the Roman Catholic church that has come to the sedevacantist position.

    I no longer pay much attention, except when it is tossed into my face, either here or the media what Francis is doing.  I find it amusing that those who insist that Francis is the pope are the ones who constantly tear him apart.

    I am a Roman Catholic and with the grace of God will die one.  The sedevacantist position, like you, makes sense because there is no compromising with God, no making excuses and furthermore for me when I begged God to show me where the truth was, very soon after my plea I found CMRI.  

    Read this link for a better understanding of sedevacantism, and remember to adopt that position one does not deny the Papacy, nor the Office of Pope.  ACTUALLY, WE DEFEND IT!

    http://www.cmri.org/why-we-believe-the-chair-of-peter-is-vacant.shtml
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 10:06:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on October 21, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
    This is a good response if one wishes to reject Catholic Teaching on Heretics and the invalidity of a non-Catholic being elected Pope.
    Yes, typical response although empty like VATICAN II is. 
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 10:27:51 AM »
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    Saying he's a heretic and not the Pope accomplishes nothing.
    Happenby, I agree 1000%!  I'm all for theoretical and theological discussions; they are fun.  But the fun ends when priests and laymen (and even bishops), with no formal theological training and with no authority from Rome, accuse fellow Catholics of being heretical over this issue.  

    The papal situation is so unique and confusing - there's no historical precedent to compare it to!  Yet these self-appointed interpreters expect us all to agree with their interpretation of the writings of theologians and Doctors as if it were DOCTRINALLY BINDING?  That's crazy.  

    The 2nd (and more important) point is that if every trad TODAY became a sedevacantist what would that solve?  What would change in the church?  Would it solve society's, the Church's or our family's problems?  Would it solve the crisis of priests or the fewness of religious vocations?  Would it automatically make Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ go away or fix the errors of modernism which have taken root in almost all of our minds?  No, no, no and no. 

    At best, it would help trads get along better.  But this would last for 5 seconds until we started to argue about other inconsequential issues like 3 baptisms, the problems of the 62 missal or flat earth.  Then anathemas would be thrown around, tempers would flair and divisions would ensue.  Back to square one...
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 10:51:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on October 21, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
    This is a good response if one wishes to reject Catholic Teaching on Heretics and the invalidity of a non-Catholic being elected Pope.
    Never mind that, for instance and canonically speaking,  being out of one's "Catholic mind" is the equivalent of being dead when it comes to holding office; in other words, "welcome to Sedevacantism Crappinhigh!"
    s.a. "Williamson Shakespeare's 'Ode to Mentevacantism.'"
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 10:55:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on October 21, 2017, 10:00:28 AM
    This is a good response if one wishes to reject Catholic Teaching on Heretics and the invalidity of a non-Catholic being elected Pope.
    ... and if one wishes to hide behind one's pointing finger like a тαℓмυd totin', shekel shovelin',  gefilte gobblin' Jєω.

    "Oh look, Feygele Frank just denied God exists! That's like the time that I walked in on my parents...." *commences sucking thumb in happy place, dreaming of a Flat Earth teeming with fluffy bunnies...*
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 10:59:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 21, 2017, 10:27:51 AM
    Happenby, I agree 1000%!  I'm all for theoretical and theological discussions; they are fun.  But the fun ends when priests and laymen (and even bishops), with no formal theological training and with no authority from Rome, accuse fellow Catholics of being heretical over this issue.  

    The papal situation is so unique and confusing - there's no historical precedent to compare it to!  Yet these self-appointed interpreters expect us all to agree with their interpretation of the writings of theologians and Doctors as if it were DOCTRINALLY BINDING?  That's crazy.  

    The 2nd (and more important) point is that if every trad TODAY became a sedevacantist what would that solve?  What would change in the church?  Would it solve society's, the Church's or our family's problems?  Would it solve the crisis of priests or the fewness of religious vocations?  Would it automatically make Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ go away or fix the errors of modernism which have taken root in almost all of our minds?  No, no, no and no.

    At best, it would help trads get along better.  But this would last for 5 seconds until we started to argue about other inconsequential issues like 3 baptisms, the problems of the 62 missal or flat earth.  Then anathemas would be thrown around, tempers would flair and divisions would ensue.  Back to square one...
    The party's really over when the south end of the sheep gets turned into a "pu-pu platter" by a pack of wolves; too bad said entree didn't have any formal training or authority.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 11:04:18 AM »
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    • Stopping a smoking car, does nothing to repair it.
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    Re: I am considering sedevacantism
    « Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 11:18:43 AM »
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    • I am asking these questions below for the benefit of those who are considering the sedevacantist position.

    1. If priests in the CMRI are sedevacantists, who do they commemorate in the Canon of the Mass?

    2. Do they mention the name of a bishop instead of Francis? If so, who?

    Right now, I am a home aloner because my husband cannot drive long distances (more than 15 to 30 minutes at the maximum) as he  suffered a stroke and was advised not to travel for any lengthy period of time by his doctors. I cannot drive either, and unless we have a friend who is willing to take us, we cannot attend church regularly. However, even being a passenger is a danger. I really miss not receiving Holy Communion, but we do say our prayers at home, and we try to pray unceasingly observing the presence of God within us as much as possible.
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