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Offline Neil Obstat

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I Accuse the Council! Discussion thread link to the Book
« on: December 17, 2012, 10:47:46 PM »
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  • This topic really needs its own thread.  

    Since the subject was brought up in the Library thread here it is where
    it can be allowed discussion...


    Source Post in Library thread (where no discussion is allowed)

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    Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Quote from: Santo Subito
    Why is the Society not printing this book anymore?

    Since there is no deal, will they restart?


    Maybe they are holding out for business reasons...  

    ...if it's true that this book is selling on ebay for hundreds of dollars, maybe they are biding their time.  In the future they may republish it at $29 per book.  It could be a business decision.


    There was an earlier thread, a few months ago here, saying that a phone call
    to Angelus Press revealed that not only was it out of print, that also, it was not
    on the list of books to be reprinted.  When asked why not, there was no answer,
    but rather the answer to a different question was proffered.  (When you ask one
    question and you get a response that logically answers a different question, it
    should be an indication to you that the person answering is attempting to avoid
    the question you had asked, while protecting himself against your accusation that
    he is not being cooperative or helpful.)  


    For the record, the question was:   Why is this book not being scheduled
    for reprinting, since  A)  Angelus Press is in the business of selling books,
    and  B)  Angelus Press holds the copyright to this book, and  C)  This  book
    is not only in demand, but is running low in the inventory both in your
    warehouse and at bookstore shelves?  

    The question was not answered.  Instead, the response given in reply to
    this question was a suggestion that would have answered a different
    question:  that is, a question that was not asked!  

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    The different question that was answered would have been:  

    "How can I expect to obtain a copy for sale at MSRP (instead of resorting
    to market prices on eBay or whatever) if you are out of stock and you hold
    the copyright, and you do not plan on reprinting it?"  

    For the forthright rejoinder was, "You could call around to the various
    bookstores that carry Angelus books, and perhaps, you could find one that
    still has a copy on the shelf for you."


    When a company employee in the customer service department has such a
    response at the ready, it is a clear sign that his employer has instructed him to
    answer thusly to such inquiry.  And, by extension, when a manager has cause to
    instruct service employees in such matters, it is usually a strong indicator that
    a "higher authority" has given a directive in this same vein.

    We might easily induce the directive itself, all considered.  It seems to me that
    it would have been as follows:  the Menzingen-denizens disseminate the order,
    that  A)  this book shall be allowed to run out of stock without putting it on any
    list for being reprinted,  B)  once it does in fact run out of stock, it shall then not
    be placed on any list to be reprinted until further notice from us,  C)  when anyone
    calls or writes inquiring about the availability of this title, the answer should be
    given to check around for a used copy or to go looking for a bookstore that has
    one copy for sale left on their shelf.  

    Furthermore, we may be so bold as to presume that Angelus service reps have
    made a prudential decision to divulge the fact that there is no plan to reprint the
    book, which action effects a revelation that had not been part of the Menzingen
    control message, and therefore something that provides us the key to the real
    story, a key that the Menzingen-denizens had been trying to conceal - like they
    have done with the "Doctrinal Preamble" all these years.

    If all this is true - and if it is not, I invite any qualified representative to answer
    why, in specifics, that it is not true - but if it is true, there are consequences to
    this state of affairs.  Such consequences are not outside the domain of this
    thread, as they are consequent to its direct effects.  Since the OP contains in
    itself the seed of the material in question, that is, the book itself, there is nothing
    keeping readers and members henceforth from exploring reasonable answers to
    the aforementioned questions, e.g.:  Are there some special, aggressive
    theological points or claims that the author makes in I Accuse the Council!
    that justify the claim in whole or in part, that the Society, on purpose, is refusing
    to reprint it?

    The same question can be asked of the Society's reticence regarding the
    Doctrinal Preamble, and the answer to the most simple question of what is it
    about Eleison Comments that has been incorrect or improper, AND the Vatican's
    reticence regarding the contents of the Third Secret of Fatima.

    Of those three things, the only one that comes close is the ECs, because we
    have the contents of them and the book as well.  We do not, however, have
    the contents of the Preamble or the Third Secret.







    Since the OP contains in itself the seed of the material

    in question, that is, the book itself, there is nothing

    keeping readers and members henceforth from

    exploring reasonable answers to the aforementioned

    questions, e.g.:  Are there some special, aggressive

    theological points or claims that the author makes in

    I Accuse the Council! that justify the claim in whole

    or in part, that the Society, on purpose, is refusing

    to reprint it?








    I have an open challenge for the Menzingen-denizens..


                            Go ahead:  Make My Day.


    Prove me wrong by re-printing the book.  And don't try any funny business.

    Do not re-edit the book.  Do not come up with any smarmy excuses why

    you had to change this or change that.   We know what the book has in

    it, because we have the book online.   But we want to have a hard copy.  

    We like having hard copies because they're nice to read by the fireside,

    like the fireside chats that Bishop Williamson, bless his soul, is going to

    have with the fathers of Catholic families starting the Feast of the Holy

    Innocents this year.  


    Just reprint the book, and then I'll believe you.  


    However, if you do not reprint the book, then we all know that you were

    up to funny business, etc., etc., like all these questions and your own

    behavior indicate.  The ball's in your court.  





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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    I Accuse the Council! Discussion thread link to the Book
    « Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 11:11:51 PM »
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  • Come on, soldiers!  

    Let's have a good old discussion here.  I'll get things started with the

    Preface to the English Edition...  Wait... That's too much to chew on!  


    How about ONE PARAGRAPH of the Preface?  Yeah, that's more like it....




                        I Accuse the Council!

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/4104690/i-Accuse-the-Council





    To raise the appropriate questions that would effectively answer the
    accusation that anyone today who doubts the veracity of things that
    +Fellay has said recently, or doubts the justice of things +Fellay has
    done recently, all one needs to do is look at the Preface to this book,
    and therefore, it should be of no surprise why +Fellay has done
    nothing to make sure the words of Archbishop Lefebvre, the last
    sentence, actually, contained in this preface, are honored and followed:



    "May those who contributed so much to this
    edition be abundantly rewarded.   May God
    recompense them by a wide distribution of
    this book."



    Note:  This Man of God is on longstanding record (for he lived 17 more
    years and never retracted these words) for having gone to his eternal
    reward asking for God's blessings on he who would make this book
    widely available   ~   the inverse of which would be a CURSE on anyone
    who would dare to OBSTRUCT the wide distribution of this book .........


    Take one guess on whom that would be,  HMMMM??????



    No, instead +Fellay's approach, discerned not so much by what he has
    said or done, but by the policy and answers we obtain from Angelus
    Press, is to allow this book to run out of stock, and to have no intention
    of having it reprinted, while it may in the meanwhile become forgotten?  

    Well, for it to be forgotten, people such as you and I would have to
    forget it!   Will we?   That's going to be up to us, now, isn't it?  




    What does ABL have to say about those who would fight against this
    book and the information it contains?  Let his words speak for themselves.





    ABL answers the following question in his second paragraph of the Preface
    to the English Edition:

    Q~   What was the root cause and

    subsequent means of Communism's

    unhindered worldwide spread in

    the wake of Vatican Council II?



    A~   First of all, Communism experienced a great victory because of the
    Council, for that is where there was a triumph of ecuмenical liberalism.



    There's more to it than that, however:



    Q~   But how did ecuмenical liberalism at, and as a result of, Vatican II
    facilitate an unhindered worldwide spread of Communism?

    A~   Christian civilization opened a one-sided dialogue, and this one-sided
    dialogue raised the banner of détente and of pacifism.   Consequently,
    Communism spread over the world.


       
    Q~   But why did Christian civilization open this one-sided dialogue that
    would raise the banner of détente and of pacifism?
       
    A~   Christian civilization adopted the rights of man, human dignity and
    [false] religious liberty, and consequently she lost her self-confidence.  
    That is why she opened this one-sided dialogue.



    Q~   But why did Christian civilization adopt the principles of the French
    Revolution, which was the battle waged by the enemies of the Church?

    A~   It was because of the triumph of ecuмenical liberalism at the Council
    that Christian civilization forthwith lost its self-confidence, and therefore
    thought it could adopt the principles of its enemies, that is to say, the
    rights of man, human dignity, and religious liberty.




    Now, having understood the components, you are prepared to read the
    paragraph itself:  


         The triumph of ecuмenical liberalism at the Council was the greatest
    victory for Communism.  Christian civilization forthwith lost its
    self-confidence and thought it could adopt the principles of its enemies,
    viz., the rights of man, human dignity, and religious liberty.  This adoption
    opened a one-sided dialogue, and it raised the banner of détente and of
    pacifism.  Consequently, Communism has spread over the world without
    hindrance.







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    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2012, 12:23:00 AM »
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  •                    Third Paragraph of the Preface

    Note:  If you have not read the Book, and you think this kind
    of study aid is unnecessary, then you should be able to give a
    satisfactory answer to each of these questions, below, without
    having any knowledge of what ABL says in this Preface..  That
    is, if you cannot answer any one of these questions, or, if your
    answer is inadequate compared to, or contradictory to the one
    provided below, then you need to read this aid, and use it to
    give you a real understanding of what ABL is saying in his
    words, here.  You can test yourself by covering the answer and
    writing or typing your own answer.  Then uncover the answer
    here, and compare it to your own.   Which one do you prefer?  
    Do this with each question and see for yourself.






    Q~   In what objective reality was was the entire world left
    vulnerable to the Satanic revolution, by means of and because
    of Vatican Council II?



    (Now, before reading the answer below, write your own
    answer, and then compare what you wrote to this one...  Do
    this with each of the questions.  There is a reason that this
    technique works, which I will explain later...................)

    A~   Vatican II failed to defend Christian civilization from the
    single greatest threat to her most sacred integrity, by not
    doing in our age what Trent did in the 16th century.  



    Q~   But what does Vatican II have to do with Trent, besides
    the fact that they are both ecuмenical councils of the Church?  

    A~   The Council of Trent was anti-Protestant, and rightly so,
    for its mission was to defend Christian civilization from the
    openly murderous assault and apostasy of the Protestants.  
    And likewise, Vatican II should have defended Christian
    civilization from the open, murderous assault against her that
    Communism was, is, and continues to be.  But Vatican II failed
    to do so. Therefore, Christian civilization has been abrogated,
    extinguished, and rendered null, whereas she could have been
    preserved in our time as she was in the days of Pope St. Pius
    V and St. Canisius and St. Ignatius Loyola.



    Q~   But how did Vatican II fail to defend Christian civilization?

    A~   Vatican II was taken over by the Liberals and became the
    instrument for the destruction of all the moral and spiritual
    barriers against Communism.



    Q~   But how and why and by what means was the Liberal
    takeover of Vat.II the instrument for the destruction of all the
    moral an spiritual barriers against Communism?

    A~   When soldiers have lost the ideal for which they fight
    their weapons fall from their hands.



    Now read paragraph #3, after having studied its elements:  


    Vatican II, which should have been the anti-Communist
    Council as the Council of Trent was anti-Protestant, was taken
    over by the Liberals and became the instrument for the
    destruction of all the moral and spiritual barriers against
    Communism.  When soldiers have lost the ideal for which they
    fight, their weapons fall from their hands.  Since there is no
    longer a Christian civilization to defend, the field is left open
    to the Satanic revolution.


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