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Online AnthonyPadua

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Re: How Would You Answer This Woman?
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2023, 06:43:09 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 27, 2023, 04:32:06 PM
No, God being Holy Trinity is not merely His "fullness" but it's of His essence (loosely speaking, since God just has existence of course).  Our Lord taught quite clearly that "No man cometh to the Father but by Me." (John 14:6)

You can say that there's a God, but unless you worship the objectively True God, as He has revealed Himself, you're not worshipping God as He is but rather your concept of God, which could be a figment of your imagination.

This Vatican II speak about "fullness" (cf. my criticism of +Fellay's 95% comment) has done tremendous damage.

Let's take this analogy.  I'm in love with some celebrity, say, some movie star.  But this love is based on my conception of her based on the characters I've seen her play in the movies.  But when I actually get to know the REAL person, as she is, I find that she's insufferable.  And she's not even particularly attractive once she loses the movie makeup.  So, did I really love this celebrity?  No.  I loved some figment of my imagination and some fictional portrayal.  Same thing with God.  They worship their CONCEPT of God, which is deeply flawed, but they do not worship the True God, as He is, as He has revealed Himself to us.
Great post. Just to add on

Who ever denies the Son before men, the Son will deny before His Father.

Muslims don't even believe that Christ died...
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Re: How Would You Answer This Woman?
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2023, 07:13:00 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on April 27, 2023, 06:43:09 PM
Great post. Just to add on

Who ever denies the Son before men, the Son will deny before His Father.

Muslims don't even believe that Christ died...
Muslims are hypocrites. They claim Christ is the greatest prophet, yet they don't believe in what Christ said and instead follow mohammet.

Christ said that the Father has given judgement to the Son, yet they deny that Christ will be the judge.

Christ said He must die, yet they deny His death.

Christ said there is no marriage in heaven, yet they believe in this 72 virgins nonsense. As if God would allow fornication or lust in heaven...

Christ hinted multiple times that He was God "before Abraham, I AM". Yet they deny His divinity.

Also I recall (dont have quotes) that the quran mentions that allah is the greatest of deceivers and also it condemns the one called the King of Kings.
Also that muslims must accept the 'mark' on their forehead when a certain someone arrives...
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Re: How Would You Answer This Woman?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2023, 01:39:59 AM »
That Muslims don't even think we do. Islam has two major concepts that would make the idea of the Trinity in Islam fundamentally incompatible: Tawhid and shirk. 

Tawhid is monotheism and shirk is polytheism. Allah in the Quran is described as "having no equals". A Three in One Godhead to a Muslim is as polytheist to them as devotion to statues of Ganesha and Krishna on the streets of Varanasi. If it is a foreign entity to them, how could they be also worshipping the same God as Christians? It makes no sense.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2023, 09:26:23 AM »
Muslims believe in a syncretic hodgepodge of demons that they call "god".  This is easily researched.

"07 Is Allah the same God? - "I will fill hell with demons and mankind... ye cannot escape Allah... Allah leads wrongdoers into error... it is He who is deceiving them... He is the fount of fear... " The Star and the Crescent, Who is Allah, God or Satan?"

The Holy Trinity is indivisible. You cannot separate out worship to each specific Person.. You cannot deny one while worshipping the other. We worship one God in the mystery of the Trinity.
Jews do not worship the true god- who do the orthodox jews worship? They worship demons as well.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2023, 09:45:01 AM »
They would agree that we do not. Most Orthodox Jєωs won't step inside churches because of the Trinity
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