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Offline Truth is Eternal

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« on: March 27, 2013, 03:21:59 PM »
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  • The Catholic Faith does not condone sin. If someone calls themselves Catholic but refuses to give up any sin, they are not Catholic and in no way is the Catechism of the Council of Trent at fault?

    I have seen online where people blame the Catechism of the Council of Trent for the sins of The Church when the Catechism of the Council of Trent deals with evil of sin in greater detail than  all of these man-made religions.

    I have seen people who are so blatant in hatred towards the Catechism of the Council of Trent, they will even lie to people on other forums so as to make people think the the Catechism of the Council of Trent condones all manner of sin and is so vile to God, only Pre-Vatican 2 Catholics go to hell.

    Some people claim the old Catholic Church is too legalistic while blaming it for the sins of Vatican 2 even though they praise Vatican 2 for working towards making these old Traditions extinct.

    Are Catholic works really difficult for many people to deal with?
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    « Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 10:39:27 PM »
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    Are Catholic works really difficult for many people to deal with?


    Apparently so, only because people have lost all notion of objective reality and do not think logically. Even if you present a logically cogent apologetic argument in defense of the faith, some people will still not assent to it because it contradicts the caprices of self-centered passions and habits.

    They prefer emotion over reason, opinion over fact, "spiritual experience" over true religion, &c.

    Ultimately, it is the cult of self, which is an idolatrous affront to God, Whom both faith and reason prove to exist and to claim all our reverence and love.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 04:16:45 PM »
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  • What you say is true and these questions will pester you for a long time.

    My advice to you is to constantly foster your prayer life.  Make your prayor life your own interior garden and water it several times a day.  Prayerbooks are always helpful.  

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    I carry this one in my front shirt pocket every day!

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    Of course, there are other places to buy some nice quality prayer books.


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    « Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 09:34:49 PM »
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  • I am not sure it is true to say that Catholics who are obstinate in sin are not Catholics.  Is seems to me more accurate to say that they are bad Catholics.  
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    « Reply #4 on: March 30, 2013, 05:35:49 AM »
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    The Catholic Faith does not condone sin. If someone calls themselves Catholic but refuses to give up any sin, they are not Catholic and in no way is the Catechism of the Council of Trent at fault?

    I have seen online where people blame the Catechism of the Council of Trent for the sins of The Church when the Catechism of the Council of Trent deals with evil of sin in greater detail than  all of these man-made religions.

    I have seen people who are so blatant in hatred towards the Catechism of the Council of Trent, they will even lie to people on other forums so as to make people think the the Catechism of the Council of Trent condones all manner of sin and is so vile to God, only Pre-Vatican 2 Catholics go to hell.

    Some people claim the old Catholic Church is too legalistic while blaming it for the sins of Vatican 2 even though they praise Vatican 2 for working towards making these old Traditions extinct.

    Are Catholic works really difficult for many people to deal with?


    You are dealing with people who are Catholic in name only. Here is a quote from another thread which is applicable here:


    Quote from: bowler
    Quote from: Zeitun
    Quote from: bowler
    Quote from: Telesphorus
    Quote from: John Grace
    We can be grateful there are still women folk setting better example than the girls mentioned.A reality of the modern world.


    Yes, quite right.

    The modesty issue is not the essential problem.  The real problem is that integral Catholicism has to be integral.   It has to embrace the whole way of thinking.  And if modesty is angrily rejected, then it is because there isn't a coherent way of thinking.  It's not just a superficial error.

    This isn't about who is a better person or who is worse.  This is about the very future itself.  If standards are not maintained on this particular issue it undermines in a very fundamental way the integrity and sincerity of the movement.


    For a traditionalist young girl to dress like I described, and for parents to not see it for what it is,  is a sign that the faith is being lost, is fading away. It is ONLY by God's Grace that we see it. These peoples Light is fading away. The way they dress is just an outward manifestation of the condition of the inner soul, God's grace is fading away.

    "By their deeds you shall know them".


    When I see ladies of all ages dressed immodestly my only thought is "If they REALLY believed Our Lord was present, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, in the Blessed Sacrament they would NEVER dress like that."

    To me it's a sign of Faith already lost.


    Yes, it is indeed is a clear sign. I believe that it is the 1960's all over again for these families. The parents have become lax, and the children will fall away from the Church. The grandchildren will not even be Catholic. These young girls are "Catholics" that want to keep their little white rabbit. They want to mold "Catholicism" to fit their likes. It is 1960's all over again for those people.

    Our Little White Rabbits

    The father came home and told his children that if they gave away all of their toys to the poor, that he would buy them all new, more, and better toys. So, all of the children picked up all of their toys and put them in boxes to be taken away. When father came back he asked the children if all of the toys were in the boxes and all of the children answered yes, except for little Johnnie, who held something behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, what about you? And Johnnie brought out his little white stuffed rabbit from behind his back, and said, I gave everything away, except my little white rabbit, I can't part with him Dad. And the father answered, but Johnnie, if you give away your white rabbit, you will receive more toys, better toys, than you've ever seen before in your life. But Johnnie said no father, I can't give away my little white rabbit.

    Our Lord Jesus Christ offers us gifts beyond even anything we can imagine, if we just give up ALL of our toys (ALL of our sinning ways). However, even trad Catholics will not give up their little white rabbits. They will get NOTHING! If these types of "white rabbit Catholics" continue on this lukewarm path till death, they will turn out to have been greater fools than the pagans and fallen away "cold" Catholics who ignored the faith completely and at least "enjoyed" their every "heaven" here on earth.

    "But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth" (Apoc 3:16).

    From a paper received at an SSPX retreat in Ridgefield in the late 1990's:

    CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:

    a) They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

    b) They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

    c) St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

    14) How many inhabitants of this city may perhaps be saved? What I am about to say is very terrible, yet I will not conceal it from you. Out of this thickly populated city with it's thousands of inhabitants, not 100 people will be saved. I even doubt whether there will be as many as that! ( St. John Chrysostom - the city was Antioch and its inhabitants were known to be in pursuit of comfort and the good things of things life.)

    15) A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,997 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved.

    16) In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)

    17) Yes indeed, many will be damned; few will be saved. (St. Benedict Joseph Labro)

    18) If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)

    19) He who goes to Hell, goes of his own accord. Everyone who is damned, is damned because he wills his own damnation. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)