Only Vatican II "catholics" believe that everybody goes to heaven, even repeating and impenitent sinners.  

The bulk of true Catholics would affirm that they (VIIs) have it all wrong and have split themselves off from truth.


Some Catholics who see themselves as orthodox do not believe in Baptism of Desire.  There is another group that argues that both Baptism of Desire AND EENS can both be true. If you want the arguments check around the site as they are constantly popping up and can go on forever.

 You should at least see that both propositions that you are wondering about are not exactly about the same thing and need to be approached with a good deal of caution.

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Just avoid the Dimonds.

just because I don't agree with hem on this particular issue i see no reason why i should avoi them completely, i posted their argument on baptism of desire and no one has shown how their position can be wrong, i don't understand how any catholic can believe non catholics for ex Jєωs,muslims can go to heaven

Again, people who die with the desire to be baptized into the Catholic Church die as members of the Church. BOD does not in any way contradict the Dogma of EENS. Some quotes in BOD's favor:

The sacrament of Baptism is said to be necessary for salvation in so far as man cannot be saved without, at least, Baptism of desire; "which, with God, counts for the deed. (Augustine, Enarr. in Ps. 57)" St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Whether a man can be saved without Baptism?

The Fathers and theologians frequently divide baptism into three kinds: the baptism of water (aquæ or fluminis), the baptism of desire (flaminis), and the baptism of blood (sanguinis). However, only the first is a real sacrament. The latter two are denominated baptism only analogically, inasmuch as they supply the principal effect of baptism, namely, the grace which remits sins. It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood" 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, Baptism

"Baptism of desire is perfect conversion to God by contrition or love of God above all things accompanied by an explicit or implicit desire for true baptism of water, the place of which it takes as to the remission of guilt, but not as to the impression of the [baptismal] character or as to the removal of all debt of punishment. It is called "of wind" ["flaminis"] because it takes place by the impulse of the Holy Ghost who is called a wind ["flamen"]. Now it is "de fide" that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, "de presbytero non baptizato" and of the Council of Trent" St. Alphonsus Ligouri's Moral Theology Manual (15th century), Bk. 6, no. 95., Concerning Baptism

Believing in baptism of desire does not mean belling that everyone goes to heaven.  

I know, ?I'm just puzzled how any catholic can believe non catholics can go to heaven, lets for the sake of arguement say people who desire to become catholic and are intent to get baptiized but perish before doing so can be saved, I find the number of people that would fall under this category are minute anyways, but I can see their arguement...I can't though for the life of me understnd why my sspx priest believes it's possible for a non catholic who has no intention of converting to catholicism, can have a possibility of being saved