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« on: November 27, 2012, 06:47:08 PM »
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  • I have a few questions concerning the below opinions of the Dimond brothers on how to attend mass ,wondering what the take of sedevacantists especially would be, I have emailed the dimonds and are waiting their response .I know most of you don’t like them but I do agree with most of their points except here I have some questions.

    How One Could Attend These Churches

    While there isn’t an obligation to go to any heretic to receive Communion, here is my personal opinion on how a person could go to a church to receive the sacraments where they believe and pray for Benedict XVI as pope.  As stated earlier, at this point in the present apostasy, you are really not going for the Mass, but only to receive the sacraments.

    If you decide to go to him to receive Communion and confession, I would not recommend going to the priest’s Mass on time.  A person could arrive late, maybe about 10 minutes before Communion is given.  It might even be better to go on Monday through Saturday, instead of on Sunday.  There is no Sunday obligation to go to a heretic.  Also, as we have stated many times before, no one may give donations to these heretical priests.  If a person does support them, he or she commits a grave sin and is directly supporting a heretical priest and/or a heretical organization.  A person should not pray with the other people at the Mass or liturgy.  A person should say the rosary or other prayers privately by themselves and not join in with the prayers or singing of the others present.

    When you go to these churches, many have clear glass windows when you enter in the back.  A person could pray the rosary out there until they see Holy Communion is about to be distributed.  If a person does go into the main part of the church, he or she should sit in the very back.

    The only people who can fruitfully receive the sacraments are those who agree with what the Catholic Church teaches.  Therefore, a person needs to be in full agreement with Catholic teaching on the following issues:

        1) You agree that you must be a Catholic to be saved.  You absolutely agree that anyone who is not a Catholic will sadly be lost forever.

        2) You agree that Benedict XVI is a heretic, and therefore cannot be a true Catholic pope.  You do not go to the New Mass.

        3) If you are a married person, you don’t use artificial or “natural” birth control (Natural Family Planning) to deliberately limit the size of your family.

    The benefits of receiving Communion are obviously great, for it is to receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of God himself.  It’s the greatest action in which a person can take part during his brief earthly existence.  The absolute power and graces derived from worthily receiving valid Communion is usually something that is not given much or any weight by those who dogmatically declare that you may not go to a Mass where Benedict XVI is prayed for as pope.

    The truth is that Communion is the most necessary thing for a Catholic outside of baptism.  We see this from the words of God Himself, “Amen, amen, I say unto you, except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.  Whosoever eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6)  Jesus threatens us, by telling us that we cannot have everlasting life unless we receive Him in communion.  Our Lord swears to it.  Therefore, if there is a validly ordained priest who meets the criteria mentioned earlier, a person may take advantage and receive the sacraments from him.  If not, then a person has to stay home.



    He stated we are not going for the mass but only to receive the sacraments, I’m a little confused as to me this seems a little contradictory, if the communion is valid from this heretic priest, why wouldn’t the mass be also?
    Then their belief is no one may give donations to these heretical priests. I’m aware that past popes have declared it a sin to support heretics, but that was before Vatican 2 where everyone had a valid church to go to. Now in this present apostasy I can only attend 1 SSPX church to receive the sacraments, I had my son baptized there and gave a financial gift. Am I going to be condemned to hell for this?


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    « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 06:51:48 PM »
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    I have a few questions concerning the below opinions of the Dimond brothers on how to attend mass ,wondering what the take of sedevacantists especially would be, I have emailed the dimonds and are waiting their response .I know most of you don’t like them but I do agree with most of their points except here I have some questions.

    How One Could Attend These Churches

    While there isn’t an obligation to go to any heretic to receive Communion, here is my personal opinion on how a person could go to a church to receive the sacraments where they believe and pray for Benedict XVI as pope.  As stated earlier, at this point in the present apostasy, you are really not going for the Mass, but only to receive the sacraments.

    If you decide to go to him to receive Communion and confession, I would not recommend going to the priest’s Mass on time.  A person could arrive late, maybe about 10 minutes before Communion is given.  It might even be better to go on Monday through Saturday, instead of on Sunday.  There is no Sunday obligation to go to a heretic.  Also, as we have stated many times before, no one may give donations to these heretical priests.  If a person does support them, he or she commits a grave sin and is directly supporting a heretical priest and/or a heretical organization.  A person should not pray with the other people at the Mass or liturgy.  A person should say the rosary or other prayers privately by themselves and not join in with the prayers or singing of the others present.

    When you go to these churches, many have clear glass windows when you enter in the back.  A person could pray the rosary out there until they see Holy Communion is about to be distributed.  If a person does go into the main part of the church, he or she should sit in the very back.

    The only people who can fruitfully receive the sacraments are those who agree with what the Catholic Church teaches.  Therefore, a person needs to be in full agreement with Catholic teaching on the following issues:

        1) You agree that you must be a Catholic to be saved.  You absolutely agree that anyone who is not a Catholic will sadly be lost forever.

        2) You agree that Benedict XVI is a heretic, and therefore cannot be a true Catholic pope.  You do not go to the New Mass.

        3) If you are a married person, you don’t use artificial or “natural” birth control (Natural Family Planning) to deliberately limit the size of your family.

    The benefits of receiving Communion are obviously great, for it is to receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of God himself.  It’s the greatest action in which a person can take part during his brief earthly existence.  The absolute power and graces derived from worthily receiving valid Communion is usually something that is not given much or any weight by those who dogmatically declare that you may not go to a Mass where Benedict XVI is prayed for as pope.

    The truth is that Communion is the most necessary thing for a Catholic outside of baptism.  We see this from the words of God Himself, “Amen, amen, I say unto you, except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.  Whosoever eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” (John 6)  Jesus threatens us, by telling us that we cannot have everlasting life unless we receive Him in communion.  Our Lord swears to it.  Therefore, if there is a validly ordained priest who meets the criteria mentioned earlier, a person may take advantage and receive the sacraments from him.  If not, then a person has to stay home.



    He stated we are not going for the mass but only to receive the sacraments, I’m a little confused as to me this seems a little contradictory, if the communion is valid from this heretic priest, why wouldn’t the mass be also?
    Then their belief is no one may give donations to these heretical priests. I’m aware that past popes have declared it a sin to support heretics, but that was before Vatican 2 where everyone had a valid church to go to. Now in this present apostasy I can only attend 1 SSPX church to receive the sacraments, I had my son baptized there and gave a financial gift. Am I going to be condemned to hell for this?



    It mystifies me how anyone could follow thise people!   Dont get to mass on time?  The church teaches that if you arrive for mass late and miss the consecration, you miss mass.
    Gooch...........do not take any more advice from these frauds!   If you have questions, consult a PRIEST!  They have the authority from God to teach.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 08:39:18 PM »
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    No, sir, you are a LOT confused.  Slow down and sit back and take some thought about what you are saying. How can you have an opinion about that which you know nothing?

    Your suggestions for proper Mass attendance are bizarre. You must know what you need to know before you can say what you want to say.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 09:06:36 PM »
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    Now in this present apostasy I can only attend 1 SSPX church to receive the sacraments, I had my son baptized there and gave a financial gift. Am I going to be condemned to hell for this?


    No, you won't, because the SSPX is not full of heretics. The Society has certainly gone downhill since 2009, but even now it can't be called heretical. Even Bishop Williamson says there isn't necessarily anything wrong with continuing to attend a Society chapel until it becomes harmful to one's faith.

    The Dimond Brothers accuse the Society of "heresy" for a reason that doesn't even have anything to do with Bishop Fellay. They accuse the Society of "heresy" because they don't accept sedevacantism and because they believe in BOD and invincible ignorance. What the Dimond Brothers don't understand is that BOD, although it is not a Dogma of the Church, was believed by numerous Saints and Popes, as well as the Catechism of the Council of Trent and thw 1917 Code of Canon Law. Invincible ignorance was also taught by Pope Pius IX. Using the Dimond Brothers' logic, does this make all of those I mentioned "heretics" as well?

    And they also don't understand that we aren't going to be judged for our position on whether or not the Chair of Peter is empty. What God will judge us on is whether or not we kept the Faith during this massive crisis.

    This is why I keep stating how dangerous dogmatic sedevacantism is, and it's precisely why people like the Dimonds should be avoided. They're right about some things, such as Fatima and the New World Order, but they paint nearly everyone as heretics, and they're also rather dishonest. They portray themselves as monks who own a "monastery" when they are really laymen who's "monastery" is a trailer. They are nothing more than armchair theologians who, like all other dogmatic sedevacantists, have extreme pride that leads them to condemn practically everyone but themselves.

    You need to learn how to identify falsehood when you see it, gooch. You need to stop listening to armchair theologians like the Dimonds - who will only guide you down a path of extremism - and instead seek guidance from a Traditional priest.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 06:42:54 AM »
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  • Dimonds have alot of good material, but I do not accept their "there are no priests anywhere in the world" quasi-mentality or the "just come for communion" tidbit.

    Go find an old rite ordained priest that does the Traditional Latin Mass. Thats the best I have summarized from my research on this whole matter and let the rest into God's hands.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 28, 2012, 07:16:56 AM »
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  • The biggest shame about the Diamond brothers is that those guys have so much God-given talent, that it is painful to watch as they mix truth and error.  They are very good at using the mass-media, the internet, mailings, etc., so it is a shame that men who could do so much good, have also caused so much confusion among Catholics.

    I really wish the Diamonds would slow down, and study the Faith from the bottom up, forming a solid Catholic foundation.

    If they did this, they would not have been led into errors such as denying baptism of desire, denying the moral teaching of the Church on the lawful use of the rhythm, telling Catholics to avoid masses of good priests or not supporting them if they do go, among others.

    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 09:22:08 AM »
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    No, sir, you are a LOT confused.  Slow down and sit back and take some thought about what you are saying. How can you have an opinion about that which you know nothing?

    Your suggestions for proper Mass attendance are bizarre. You must know what you need to know before you can say what you want to say.


    No Sir,you seem to be a little confused, I quoted the opinions from the Dimonds, I am questioning their opinion.

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    « Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 10:06:03 AM »
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  • Gooch, these people are leading you astray. There was another soul who once posted here, a young lad, who first accepted the claims of the Dimonds, pretty much called everyone else a heretic, both here and in his family and then finally, being turned off by their inconsistency and hypocrisy on this point of receiving sacraments finally also declared the Dimonds as heretics.

    You need to learn what the Church teaches, Pope Pius IX for example, on Catholics being bound to follow the consensus of theologians, that you may easily and readily see the errors of the Dimonds.

    Their position is entirely illogical and self-refuting. You cannot keep going like this to Mass trying almost to sneak off with the Eucharist and treating priests as sacramental machines who can be used when needed but cannot under any circumstances receive monetary support without soon seeing the absurdity of what Dimond proposes, which coincidentally serves to keep the donations coming in to MHFM.

    Just answer me this - if a valid sacrament was sufficient for one to enter, approach, receive and then retreat out, why does the Church forbid going to Masses said by the Greek schismatic "Orthodox" who have valid sacraments? St.Paul says all that partake of the one bread, though many, are one body. It is important to understand Holy Communion unites us more closely both to Christ and also to other members of the Church who receive the sacrament with us. That is also why we always eat of the Lamb only in the Church, as St.Jerome says. This suffices to show the illogic in what Dimond maintains.

    It's another matter that any opinion, such as Dimond's, which is entirely rejected by all Bishops, even all traditonal Bishops, throughout the Church all over the world is by that very fact according to Catholic faith shown to be false.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 12:45:10 PM »
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    No, sir, you are a LOT confused.  Slow down and sit back and take some thought about what you are saying. How can you have an opinion about that which you know nothing?

    Your suggestions for proper Mass attendance are bizarre. You must know what you need to know before you can say what you want to say.


    No Sir,you seem to be a little confused, I quoted the opinions from the Dimonds, I am questioning their opinion.


    Well, I usually rely on certain Western World rules of writing. I've gone over the OP again, and can't for the life of me find a quotation mark or an attribution.

    I'm sorry but my mind-reading skills seem to have temporarily deserted me.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 08:35:25 PM »
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    Now in this present apostasy I can only . What the Dimond Brothers don't understand is that BOD, although it is not a Dogma of the Church, was believed by numerous Saints and Popes, as well as the Catechism of the Council of Trent and thw 1917 Code of Canon Law. Invincible ignorance was also taught by Pope Pius IX. Using the Dimond Brothers' logic, does this make all of those I mentioned "heretics" as well?

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    thanks for the response,here's the Dimonds take on Pope Pius IX

    POPE PIUS IX AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

     

         What about Pope Pius IX?  Isn’t it true that he taught that the invincibly ignorant could be saved in two documents?  What about Singulari Quadem and Quanto Conficiamur Moerore?

     

          Confusion on this topic has increased as a result of a few misunderstood statements from Pope Pius IX.  As we analyze these statements, it is imperative to keep in mind that, even if Pope Pius IX had taught that the invincibly ignorant could be saved on these two occasions, it wouldn’t mean that such a position is true, because they were fallible documents which could have contained error.  No pope can change or contradict dogma.  Pope Honorius, who reigned in the 7th century, was, in fact, later condemned for propagating heresy, though not in his solemn capacity teaching to the universal Church.  Thus, no one, not even a pope, can change the dogma that no one who dies outside the Catholic Church, ignorant or not, can be saved.  Here are some more quotes on ignorance.

     

    Pope Benedict XV, Humani Generis Redemptionem (# 14), June 15, 1917: “…‘Ignorance is the mother of all errors,’ as the Fourth Lateran Council so truthfully observes.”[ccciii]

     

    The Errors of Peter Abelard, Condemned by Innocent II, July 16, 1140, #10: “That they have not sinned who being ignorant have crucified Christ, and that whatever is done through ignorance must not be considered sin.” - Condemned[ccciv]

         

    SINGULARI QUADEM, AN ALLOCUTION (A SPEECH TO THE CARDINALS)

     

         The first of the documents from Pope Pius IX, frequently quoted by those who believe in salvation outside the Church, is Singulari Quadem, an allocution (a speech to the cardinals) given December 9, 1854:

     

    “....those who are affected by ignorance of the true religion, if it is invincible ignorance, are not subject to any guilt in this matter before the eyes of the Lord.”[cccv]

     

        First of all, this is a speech of Pope Pius IX to the cardinals.  It is not a dogmatic pronouncement, not even an encyclical, nor even an encyclical addressed to the entire Church.  

     

         But is Pope Pius IX saying that the invincibly ignorant can be justified and saved in their condition?  No.  Rather, he is stating that the “invincibly ignorant” will not be held accountable for the sin of infidelity, but they will still go to Hell.  Read carefully the last part of the sentence, “are not subject to any guilt IN THIS MATTER,” that is, in the matter of infidelity.  St. Thomas Aquinas explains that unbelievers who have never heard of the Gospel are damned for their other sins, which cannot be remitted without Faith, not because of the sin of infidelity (or disbelief in the Gospel).[cccvi]  These other sins of the unbelievers serve as the reason why God does not reveal the Gospel to them and which ultimately excludes them from salvation.  If one among them, however, were truly sincere and of good will, and cooperating with the natural law, then God would send a preacher (even miraculously, if necessary) to bring the Catholic Faith and baptism to him.  Pope Pius IX goes on to say in the same allocution concerning a person of good will who is invincibly ignorant:

     

    “the gifts of heavenly grace will assuredly not be denied to those who sincerely want and pray for refreshment by the divine light…

     

    St. Thomas Aquinas, De Veritate, 14, A. 11, ad 1: Objection- “It is possible that someone may be brought up in the forest, or among wolves; such a man cannot explicitly know anything about the faith.  St. Thomas replies- It is the characteristic of Divine Providence to provide every man with what is necessary for salvation… provided on his part there is no hindrance.  In the case of a man who seeks good and shuns evil, by the leading of natural reason, God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him…”[cccvii]

     

    St. Thomas Aquinas, Sent. II, 28, Q. 1, A. 4, ad 4: “If a man born among barbarian nations, does what he can, God Himself will show him what is necessary for salvation, either by inspiration or sending a teacher to him.”[cccviii]

     

    St. Thomas Aquinas, Sent. III, 25, Q. 2, A. 2, solute. 2: “If a man should have no one to instruct him, God will show him, unless he culpably wishes to remain where he is.”[cccix]

     

         Thus, Pope Pius IX was not teaching that people who are ignorant of the Catholic Faith can be saved; he was, rather, stating that such unbelievers are not damned for the matter of infidelity.  The fact that all who die as ignorant non-Catholics are not saved is the affirmation of all of Catholic Tradition and all the saints, besides being the dogmatic teaching of the Catholic Church.

     

    St. Alphonsus Liguori, Sermons (c. +1760): “How many are born among the pagans, among the Jews, among the Mohometans and heretics, and all are lost.”[cccx]

     

    St. Alphonsus: “If you are ignorant of the truths of the faith, you are obliged to learn them.  Every Christian is bound to learn the Creed, the Our Father, and the Hail Mary under pain of mortal sin.  Many have no idea of the Most Holy Trinity, the Incarnation, mortal sin, Judgment, Paradise, Hell, or Eternity; and this deplorable ignorance damns them.”[cccxi]

     

    St. Alphonsus, Preparation For Death, (c. +1760): “How thankful we ought to be to Jesus Christ for the gift of faith!  What would have become of us if we had been born in Asia, Africa, America, or in the midst of heretics and schismatics?  He who does not believe is lost.  This, then, was the first and greatest grace bestowed on us: our calling to the true faith.  O Savior of the world, what would become of us if Thou hadst not enlightened us?  We would have been like our fathers of old, who adored animals and blocks of stone and wood: and thus we would have all perished.”[cccxii]

     

         Though Singulari Quadem of Pius IX did not teach the HERESY that one can be saved without the Catholic Faith by invincible ignorance, it is weakly worded.  Pope Pius IX should not have concerned himself with trying to satisfy the heretical minds of liberals and apostates who refuse to accept Church dogma.  He should have simply repeated the many times defined dogma that everyone who dies without the Catholic Faith is lost, and clearly explained that no one who is of good will will be left in ignorance of the true religion.  But because of his weakly worded statement, and the following one we will examine, a veritable disaster has resulted.  Almost every single person who wants to advance his heretical belief that one can be saved outside the Catholic Church quotes this fallible statement from Pope Pius IX and the other one we will examine.

     

         What’s interesting, however, and further confirms the point above, is that in Singulari Quadem, after explaining how the invincibly ignorant are not held guilty in this matter, Pope Pius IX declares that a Catholic must hold one Lord, one Faith and one Baptism, and that it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry! – probably in an attempt to stem the tide of belief that one could be saved outside the Church by “baptism of desire.”  The people who believe in salvation outside the Church almost never quote this part of the allocution.

     

    Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadem: “For, in truth, when released from these corporeal chains, ‘we shall see God as He is’ (1 John 3:2), we shall understand perfectly by how close and beautiful a bond divine mercy and justice are united; but, as long as we are on earth, weighed down by this mortal mass which blunts the soul, let us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is ‘one God, one faith, one baptism’ [Eph. 4:5]; it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry.”[cccxiii]

         

         Therefore, even Pope Pius IX, in the very statement wrongly quoted by the liberals against the dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation, admonishes that such theorizing about salvation by other baptisms and other faiths is unlawful.

     


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    « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 08:38:30 PM »
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    No, sir, you are a LOT confused.  Slow down and sit back and take some thought about what you are saying. How can you have an opinion about that which you know nothing?

    Your suggestions for proper Mass attendance are bizarre. You must know what you need to know before you can say what you want to say.


    No Sir,you seem to be a little confused, I quoted the opinions from the Dimonds, I am questioning their opinion.


    Well, I usually rely on certain Western World rules of writing. I've gone over the OP again, and can't for the life of me find a quotation mark or an attribution.

    I'm sorry but my mind-reading skills seem to have temporarily deserted me.

    duly noted ,next time I won't forget the quotations, while I don't necessarily agree with the Dimonds on this point he did state it's his opinion, I would like to hear other sedevacantist's position on this.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 08:42:39 PM »
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    The biggest shame about the Diamond brothers is that those guys have so much God-given talent, that it is painful to watch as they mix truth and error.  They are very good at using the mass-media, the internet, mailings, etc., so it is a shame that men who could do so much good, have also caused so much confusion among Catholics.

    I really wish the Diamonds would slow down, and study the Faith from the bottom up, forming a solid Catholic foundation.

    If they did this, they would not have been led into errors such as denying baptism of desire, denying the moral teaching of the Church on the lawful use of the rhythm, telling Catholics to avoid masses of good priests or not supporting them if they do go, among others.


    Are you positive on your belief of baptism of desire? what is your strongest point on this matter,

    Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadem: “For, in truth, when released from these corporeal chains, ‘we shall see God as He is’ (1 John 3:2), we shall understand perfectly by how close and beautiful a bond divine mercy and justice are united; but, as long as we are on earth, weighed down by this mortal mass which blunts the soul, let us hold most firmly that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, there is ‘one God, one faith, one baptism’ [Eph. 4:5]; it is unlawful to proceed further in inquiry.”[cccxiii]

         

         Therefore, even Pope Pius IX, in the very statement wrongly quoted by the liberals against the dogma Outside the Church There is No Salvation, admonishes that such theorizing about salvation by other baptisms and other faiths is unlawful.


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    « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 11:06:58 PM »
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  • To the query, "How one is to attend Mass as a sedevacantist?" I would answer by replying...

    Like a Catholic ought to attend Holy Mass; worthily, attentively and devoutly, meditating upon the dread and hallowed Mysteries of the sacred Altar and abandoning oneself to in filial confidence and relentless self-abnegation unto the Providence of Our Lord and the patronage of His Blessed Mother, so that the Holy Ghost may guide us unto the cultivation and progress of the interior life, together with perseverance therein unto a holy death; that we may attain unto the purification of the senses and of the soul as we ascend the ways of prayers until we are ready to be led more by the influence and operation of the theological virtues and the gifts of the Holy Ghost than by self and other created things; all the while, consecrating oneself unto Eternal Wisdom through the Blessed Virgin Mary by the perfect renovation of the Baptismal vows which constitutes the Holy Slavery as taught by St. Louis-Marie.

    This is the best and easiest manner wherewith one may free oneself from the obfuscation and perils inexorably concomitant with the present tumultuous times that assail Christendom with the chicanery and machinations of the devil and his agents

    I think it best to peruse carefully a very important chapter of the useful and devout tome Catholic Liturgy: Its Fundamental Principles authored by the Very Rev. Gaspar Lefebvre, O.S.B. (of the Saint Andrew Daily Missal and Vesperal fame), published at London by Sands & Co. in 1924, with a new and revised edition published in 1954.

























































    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 29, 2012, 01:06:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: PartyIsOver221
    Dimonds have alot of good material, but I do not accept their "there are no priests anywhere in the world" quasi-mentality or the "just come for communion" tidbit.

    Go find an old rite ordained priest that does the Traditional Latin Mass. Thats the best I have summarized from my research on this whole matter and let the rest into God's hands.


    Party is over: can you give us some names of catholic priests that you consider solid in the faith?

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    « Reply #14 on: December 03, 2012, 07:30:32 PM »
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  • Just avoid the Dimonds.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

     

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