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Offline trad123

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Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
« Reply #1425 on: January 12, 2018, 09:49:50 PM »
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    faithlessness cannot gain access

    The Mahometan Paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there. - St. Alphonsus

    For when they shall rise again from the dead, they shall neither marry, nor be married, but are as the angels - Mark 12:25

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1426 on: January 12, 2018, 10:02:36 PM »
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    OK, what is this now, the 50th time, that I've had to state that not every sentence of a Council is protected from error?  But OVERALL there cannot be a substantial corruption of Church doctrine.  How hard is this to comprehend?
    I get your argument but I don't buy it.  It sounds good high-level, but doesn't support all the facts, when you look at the details.  My theory isn't ironed either which is why I'm on here to debate and learn.  But I see we've reached an impasse as your theory rests on indefectibility, which is too general of an answer for me.  And, unfortunately, there's not too much commentary on the correlation between it and a council, other than Fenton.  But one source isn't good enough as I've posted quotes which disagreed with him.  So the jury's out.  


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1427 on: January 12, 2018, 10:27:55 PM »
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  • SVs deny this:

    Faithlessness cannot gain access in Rome because the Faith of Peter cannot fail. That is the reason why. If the Faith of the Bishop of Rome happens to fail, then the only logical explanation we can deduce is that he was NOT the legitimate successor of St. Peter.

    Our Lord specifically prayed for this intention.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1428 on: January 12, 2018, 10:44:48 PM »
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  • Faithlessness cannot gain access in Rome because the Faith of Peter cannot fail. That is the reason why. If the Faith of the Bishop of Rome happens to fail, then the only logical explanation we can deduce is that he was NOT the legitimate successor of St. Peter.

    Our Lord specifically prayed for this intention.
    You conveniently ignored the essence of the quote. 

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1429 on: January 12, 2018, 11:31:11 PM »
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    are you even a Traditional Catholic?
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    You are putting the cart before the horse. The Roman Church is the one particular Church that all other Churches must submit to.
    I'm a Roman Catholic.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/archbishop-lefebvre-on-sedevacantism/msg113117/#msg113117

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    CathMomof7, to conclude that JP2 and B16(JP3) are not real popes is and has been a difficult position to embrace.

    But many of us have made this conclusion because we see it as the only position that is consistently Catholic.

    The men you discuss are modernist heretics and a heretic cannot be elected as a true successor of St. Peter.

    It’s really that simple, it is that Catholic.

    The Mahometan Paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there. - St. Alphonsus

    For when they shall rise again from the dead, they shall neither marry, nor be married, but are as the angels - Mark 12:25


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1430 on: January 12, 2018, 11:37:40 PM »
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    Catholics do NOT try to convert or negotiate with Rome. They submit.

    Is the pope just a figurehead who Catholics can pick and choose when they will and they won't follow him?

    How do you know when to follow him? By your own authority or by some other authority?

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/sedevacantist-altars/msg113457/#msg113457

    What answer do you give yourself of ~7 years ago.  What changed?
    The Mahometan Paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there. - St. Alphonsus

    For when they shall rise again from the dead, they shall neither marry, nor be married, but are as the angels - Mark 12:25

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1431 on: January 13, 2018, 02:50:31 AM »
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  • I saw my face in that mirror, and I was an Old Catholic/Febronius.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1432 on: January 13, 2018, 06:50:59 AM »
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  • I never said that.
    Sure you did, post 1389:

    If they were not popes then that would also entail a defection of the Roman Church, the mother and mistress of all Churches.
    ANYTHING, but Sedevacantism


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1433 on: January 13, 2018, 06:52:02 AM »
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  • Like a scene from mission impossible Pax Vobis pulls of his mask and it is:





     Sorry I have nothing to else to add.
    I probably should know who this is, but I don't.  Who is it?
    ANYTHING, but Sedevacantism

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1434 on: January 13, 2018, 09:35:38 AM »
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  • I probably should know who this is, but I don't.  Who is it?

    That looks to me like Dr. Robert Fastiggi, a Novus Ordo "theologian" who has publicly debated against Bishop Sanborn;  He teaches at Sacred Heart Seminary in Detroit.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1435 on: January 13, 2018, 09:38:31 AM »
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  • You are putting the cart before the horse. The Roman Church is the one particular Church that all other Churches must submit to.
    I'm a Roman Catholic.

    No, the other Churches don't submit to the Roman Church; they submit to the Roman Pontiff, the Pope.


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1436 on: January 13, 2018, 09:40:20 AM »
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  • SVs deny this:

    I've explained twice arleady, and now a third time, that this is a moot point since the Crisis has affected the entire Church, not just the Roman one.  So if the rest of the Church has defected, then so has the Roman Church ... since nothing makes them more pure vis-a-vis this Crisis.

    And, for the, oh, fiftieth time, the absence of a legitimate Pope or Bishop of Rome does not cause the Church to defect.  What WOULD, on the other hand, cause the Roman Church to defect would be if a legitimate Roman Pontiff were to have taught heresy to the entire Church.  So, answer THAT, R&R.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1437 on: January 13, 2018, 09:42:38 AM »
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  • I suggest you know nothing of indefectability.

    And I suggest that you don't know much about anything.  You have yet to articulate an actual argument but just bloviate out of ignorance about things you aren't even remotely acquainted with.

    Try putting your Roman Church platitude into a syllogism, and make an argument, ... but be careful not to hurt yourself ... and then maybe I'll write back.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1438 on: January 13, 2018, 09:45:03 AM »
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  • Our Lady of LaSalette:  "Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist."

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #1439 on: January 13, 2018, 10:07:00 AM »
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  • And I suggest that you don't know much about anything.  You have yet to articulate an actual argument but just bloviate out of ignorance about things you aren't even remotely acquainted with.
    On the plus side, thanks to Hermenegild, this thread's chances of going over a hundred posts are practically assured.  I'm sure we were all looking forward to that. 
    ;D
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

     

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