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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
« Reply #975 on: January 05, 2018, 11:59:20 AM »
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    Said hierarchy TAUGHT these things to the Church in Ecuмenical Council and said hierarchy promulgated the universal disicpline in question.
    Maybe V2 used the word 'teach' and 'discipline' differently than in the past?  When one deals with modernists/satanists, one has to follow Christ's advice:  Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves. (Matt 10:16).

    We know now, 50 years later, that V2 was run by wolves in sheeps clothing.  We also know that Christ's Church will be protected from Hell.  The devil also knows this.  So why does he want to spend his time trying to change doctrine or officially teach error when he can get the same result by making people THINK it was changed.  As many masons have been quoted as saying - the orginal goal - to destroy the church - has been changed.  They know they cannot destroy Her, so they plan to USE Her to lead the world to humanism and a global religion, which is part of the anti-christ govt.  By making the faithful THINK the Church had "updated its approach to the world" then the gates are open for hell not to prevail over Her, but to enter the city and cause destruction.  Different tactic, same result.

    So we must think like 'wolves' and if we know their plans, we can work backwards and see the traps they laid, even if 50 years ago.  The large trap was the 'shock and awe' of an ecuмenical council, which they knew that the faithful would ASSUME would be orthodox - it would be ASSUMED that it would be "just like all the other councils".  But where is the rule than an ecuмenical council HAS to be dogmatic?  There is none.  This is trick #1.

    Where is the rule that says that a council has to be precise, define dogma, and issue binding legal decrees?  Even though that is the "normal" way they operate, it doesn't mean that councils HAVE TO operate that way.  Trick #2.

    There were many other smaller tricks, but these are the main 2.  If we know we are dealing with cunning, pharisee-like infiltrators, we must be on guard.  We must 'be wise as serpents' for our enemy worships the serpent of Eden.  Therefore we cannot presume they will fight fair; we must presume they will fight in any way that the law allows.  This is why we must presume that when V2 uses the word 'teach' or 'discipline' that it means something different than for previous councils.  For EVERYTHING related to V2 was novel in its approach, even the definition of the words themselves.

    This is why I say that V2 didn't teach or bind anyone to believe anything new.  Who were the "agents" of communicating the council?  Who really "interpreted" the council and "taught" the faithful what it said?  The media, the bishops and the priests - none of whom are infallible, none of whom are protected from indefectibility, none of whom was prevented from introducing exaggerations, liberalism or marxism into their "teachings" so that V2 was way more liberal than what the 'fine print' actually said.

    Then we get to the idea of 'discipline'.  Who told everyone that V2 "must be obeyed"?  The bishops, the priests, the media.  Just like with the new mass - they told the faithful that "the 'old mass' is gone; it has been replaced."  Well, they lied.  So they lied with V2, in that it was not binding, nor doctrinal, nor catholic.  The docuмents tell a different story than the "clergy" did.

    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #976 on: January 05, 2018, 12:05:58 PM »
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  • No, more than that, he also referred the teachings of what he considers to be a legitimate Ecuмenical Council as endangering the faith and "sacrilegeous" to submit to.  If you're going to be R&R, you're much better off soft-pedaling opposition to V2 like Bishop Fellay does.  +Fellay has a much more Catholic attitude than Stubborn.

    When you say that both the Magisterium of the Pope and bishops, in an approved legitimate Ecuмenical Council, and the Universal Discipline promulgated by the Church not only endanger the faith but that it would be a "sacrilege" for Catholics to submit to it ... that's blasphemy of the first order and heresy at the same time.  Stubborn tries to snake out of this heresy and vile blasphemy by making a false distinction between hierarchy and Church, but it doesn't fly.  Said hierarchy TAUGHT these things to the Church in Ecuмenical Council and said hierarchy promulgated the universal disicpline in question.
    More new theologian talk?

    You back up zero, all you have is your own misguided opinion and nothing else. Either post some sources so we know where you come up with this crazy thinking, or accept that your opinion isn't good enough and doesn't even make a shred of sense in light of the clear Church teachings.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #977 on: January 05, 2018, 12:49:40 PM »
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  • More new theologian talk?

    You back up zero, all you have is your own misguided opinion and nothing else. Either post some sources so we know where you come up with this crazy thinking, or accept that your opinion isn't good enough and doesn't even make a shred of sense in light of the clear Church teachings.

    Why should anyone waste his time?  People post sources to you all the time (like on the other thread), but you simply misinterpret and distort them to your liking.  Everyone besides yourself understands that you're an arrogant heretical buffoonish ignoramus who will do anything to cling with white knuckles to his sedeplenism and Wathenism (your sole theological source appears to be Father Wathen).  I'm not going to spend 30 seconds of my time digging up sources for you.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #978 on: January 05, 2018, 12:58:38 PM »
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  • Why should anyone waste his time?  People post sources to you all the time (like on the other thread), but you simply misinterpret and distort them to your liking.  Everyone besides yourself understands that you're an arrogant heretical buffoonish ignoramus who will do anything to cling with white knuckles to his sedeplenism and Wathenism (your sole theological source appears to be Father Wathen).  I'm not going to spend 30 seconds of my time digging up sources for you.
    Sorry to inform you that you are not the Church, the things you put forth as being of the Church are in fact, not - which is obviously the only reason that you so adamantly refuse to post where you get your crazy ideas from.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #979 on: January 05, 2018, 01:14:53 PM »
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  • Sorry to inform you that you are not the Church, the things you put forth as being of the Church are in fact, not - which is obviously the only reason that you so adamantly refuse to post where you get your crazy ideas from.

    No, it's because I'm not going to waste my time on the likes of YOU.  You reject any and all sources that do not fit your non-Catholic paradigm.  You either distort or misrepresent them or dismiss them as the work of "new theologians".  Many people have posted many sources.  I've read countless dogmatic theology books (manuals) that were in use at seminaries, and your attitudes are completely foreign to them all.  Yes, yes, I know, these were "NEW" theology manuals.


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #980 on: January 05, 2018, 01:19:33 PM »
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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #981 on: January 05, 2018, 01:24:16 PM »
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  • No, it's because I'm not going to waste my time on the likes of YOU.  You reject any and all sources that do not fit your non-Catholic paradigm.  You either distort or misrepresent them or dismiss them as the work of "new theologians".  Many people have posted many sources.  I've read countless dogmatic theology books (manuals) that were in use at seminaries, and your attitudes are completely foreign to them all.  Yes, yes, I know, these were "NEW" theology manuals.
    No, it's most certainly just as I said - the only reason to not post your sources is because you have no sources for the crazy ideas you post.

    What sources of yours have I rejected? Answer: none - you never post any sources. I take that back - I have seen you post a few quotes from Fr. Fenton - then again he's one of the new theologians whose teachings helped this crisis gain recruits.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Offline Clemens Maria

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #983 on: January 05, 2018, 02:09:12 PM »
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  • In case anyone is wondering, you can ignore people here.  You have to navigate to your own profile and add to your list of ignored posters.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #984 on: January 05, 2018, 04:38:42 PM »
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  • 2Vermont, are you no longer a sedevacantist? Not a trick question or a criticism. No cynicism behind my question. I'm just wondering...

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #985 on: January 05, 2018, 04:43:58 PM »
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  • 2Vermont, are you no longer a sedevacantist? Not a trick question or a criticism. No cynicism behind my question. I'm just wondering...
    I am still a sedevacantist.  Was there something I said that led you to believe otherwise?


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #986 on: January 05, 2018, 04:50:46 PM »
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  • I am still a sedevacantist.  Was there something I said that led you to believe otherwise?

    No. I was just confused by your signature ("ANYTHING but sedevacantism"). I guess I'm reading it wrong.  

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #987 on: January 05, 2018, 11:53:35 PM »
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    Where is the rule that says that a council has to be precise, define dogma, and issue binding legal decrees?  Even though that is the "normal" way they operate, it doesn't mean that councils HAVE TO operate that way.  Trick #2

    Even if we accept that every aspect of every ecuмenical council is not infallible and that only the solemn definitions are (exclusively the decrees labeled as "Canons" with anathemas attached to them); the proposition that the rest of the narrative (the fallible section) can be intrinsically evil, heretical, or even remotely harmful to the faithful is impossible. In a general council, the fallible part of the narrative should be in accord to the truths revealed by our Holy Religion. It should not be in any way contradictory to the constant teaching of the Church. No true pope could promulgate errors against the Faith in an ecuмenical council.  

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #988 on: January 11, 2018, 08:06:42 AM »
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  • Francis and his ilk are the gates of hell and they have not prevailed, for there are True Catholics throughout the entire world and are growing in numbers daily.  

    What and where is your authority, Hermenegild?
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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #989 on: January 11, 2018, 08:07:11 AM »
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    the proposition that the rest of the narrative (the fallible section) can be intrinsically evil, heretical, or even remotely harmful to the faithful is impossible.
    If it's impossible, then what's the point of infallibility? 

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    In a general council, the fallible part of the narrative should be in accord to the truths revealed by our Holy Religion.
    "should be" is the key phrase; doesn't have to be.