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Offline Meg

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Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
« Reply #225 on: December 13, 2017, 06:29:42 PM »
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  • :jester:    Good one!    :laugh2:                                                      

    You're an idiot, Neil.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #226 on: December 13, 2017, 06:31:37 PM »
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  • I see you're back from the Post Office....
    Could you provide Fr Chazal's scriptural examples of manifest heretics that did not lose their office?

    I've been working on viewing the video and writing down the relevant parts. Before I take the time to actually post them on the thread (which I'm ready to do), are you really going to read them, or just make snide comments?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #227 on: December 13, 2017, 07:47:14 PM »
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  • All the High Priests of Christ's time were illegitimate.
    "There's a mix of passion and shortsightedness in me, even when I'm positive that I'm doing my very best to see things for what they are, that warns me that I'll never know for sure. Undoubtedly I must follow the truth I can see, I have no choice and I must live on; but that is for me only, not to impose on others." - Fr. Leonardo Castellani

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #228 on: December 13, 2017, 11:12:39 PM »
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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #229 on: December 13, 2017, 11:16:09 PM »
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  • You're an idiot, Neil.
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    Oh, thank you. Coming from you that means so much ............... less.  HAHAHAHA
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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #230 on: December 13, 2017, 11:17:49 PM »
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  • All the High Priests of Christ's time were illegitimate.
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    How do you figure that?  Our Lord didn't institute the Church until Pentecost Sunday.
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    That was AFTER His time.
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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #231 on: December 13, 2017, 11:22:54 PM »
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  • The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ
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    It would seem "observe" means to look at and recognize, then "do not" means to resist.
    IOW Our Lord said to Recognize and Resist.
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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #232 on: December 14, 2017, 04:39:32 AM »
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  • I've been working on viewing the video and writing down the relevant parts. Before I take the time to actually post them on the thread (which I'm ready to do), are you really going to read them, or just make snide comments?
    I promise to consider them.  
    As for not making "snide" comments, I can assure you that the tone of my posts towards you will change as soon as you lose your rabid anti-sedevacantist attitude.   
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #233 on: December 14, 2017, 04:52:10 AM »
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  • The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ
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    Not sure what the point is of posting these Bible verses, but I suspect that they are being used to support something that in no way equates with the reality we are dealing with these days.  The Pharisees were hypocrites, not heretics.  

    Per Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary: 

    Christ admonishes the people to follow the good doctrine, not the bad example of the Scribes and Pharisees:he warns his disciples not to imitate their ambition: and denounces divers woes against them for their hypocrisy and blindness.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #234 on: December 14, 2017, 05:31:43 AM »
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  • Not sure what the point is of posting these Bible verses, but I suspect that they are being used to support something that in no way equates with the reality we are dealing with these days.  The Pharisees were hypocrites, not heretics.  
    The Jєωιѕн hierarchy was also never promised infallibility.  On the other hand, the Church was promised infallibility and the Church has already decreed that heresy automatically renders the heretic outside the Church and results in the loss of office--even before any declaratory sentence (N.B. Nestorius).  With these Bible verses, the only relevant passages would be those passages that say Church officials do not lose office due to heresy (of which there are none).

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #235 on: December 14, 2017, 09:34:22 AM »
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  • You're confusing simple obedience with submission to the Magisterium; they're two completely different things.  That's why the dictum "Faith is greater than obedience." is so pernicious.  We have the Magisterium as our proximate rule of faith; that's what separates us from all the non-Catholic so-called-Christian sects.  We can't have private judgment trumping the teaching of an Ecuмenical Council -- if legit.  It's only based on a suspicion and positive doubt of its legitimacy that we can reject it.
    I am not confusing anything, nor, though you say the contrary, am I the least bit confused about the two different things.

    We all utilize our private judgement every time we sin and every time we flee from it. It does not matter from whence it comes, our first obligation in the matter is to avoid sinning. We all know what sin is and whoever doesn't know what sin is had best figure it out quick - they have nothing better to do, that is why we were all given brains.

    If/when an angel from heaven, a member of the hierarchy alone, or altogether in union with the pope should teach a different Gospel, a Gospel contrary to what they've always taught, a Gospel they told us before the Council was anathema, St. Paul, presuming as he ought that we know our faith, says to let him be anathema, not "oh boy, we're in a real pickle here, what to do, what to do", or worse, "we must submit because the pope / hierarchy  /council teaches it." 

    It is an historical reality therefore indisputable that the Ecuмenical Council preached and still preaches a different Gospel, so we cannot accept it's teachings - that's what St. Paul teaches because that's the way it works. It has nothing to do with our private judgement being superior to our superiors, i.e. the Council and hierarchy. It has nothing to do with that at all.
        
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #236 on: December 14, 2017, 09:40:53 AM »
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    Are you going to order the new Fr. Wathen book?
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    Just did, should get it by 12/29. Thanks for the reminder. :)
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #237 on: December 14, 2017, 11:33:00 AM »
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  • I promise to consider them.  
    As for not making "snide" comments, I can assure you that the tone of my posts towards you will change as soon as you lose your rabid anti-sedevacantist attitude.  

    I'm used to your snideness. But I thought that you might just tone it down a bit, since I was taking the time and trouble to post the info you asked for, since you said that couldn't understand anything Fr. Chazal was saying. I assume now that that was just a ruse. I should have known better. Sedes can be insincere. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #238 on: December 14, 2017, 12:15:05 PM »
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  • Your personal and subjective assessment of what sede-subgroup Father Chazal fits into is interesting, but it doesn't have anything to do with what was being discussed, and what my post was about, which you were quoting.

    Oh, it most certainly does.  You can't even understand your own posts?  You were pitting Father Chazal against the sedevacantists by way of contrast ... but Father Chazal is more sedevacantist than R&R in many ways, so the contrast is not valid.

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    Re: How many sedes are logged on to the forum right now?
    « Reply #239 on: December 14, 2017, 12:38:19 PM »
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  • Not sure what the point is of posting these Bible verses, but I suspect that they are being used to support something that in no way equates with the reality we are dealing with these days.  The Pharisees were hypocrites, not heretics.  

    Per Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary:

    Christ admonishes the people to follow the good doctrine, not the bad example of the Scribes and Pharisees:he warns his disciples not to imitate their ambition: and denounces divers woes against them for their hypocrisy and blindness.
    Thanks for the commentary.  The point of the post was in reply to an inquiry regarding Scripture references.  I found it interesting to consider our Lord's words in Chapter 23 in light of His teaching in Chapter 24.
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