[Neil Obstat]

I tried to add that this material is a couple of weeks old but the source work is still in progress -- but I ran out the edit clock.
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Plus there are a bunch of typos in the text which I tried to repair on the edit feature but none of that was allowed since my time ran out.
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Oh, well.
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If you want to see the whole thing, go to the source page, linked in the title.
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[Stubborn]

I know that your comment was directed to GJC, but I just want to briefly mention that what you wrote above makes sense.

That Pope Pius X instituted the law that the man elected is instantly the true pope should give sedes something to think about. Indeed, what is the need for a good pope, when the laws that he enacts are not regarded as true by sedes? They tell us that we have follow everything that Francis says, since we regard him as Pope, but since they do not follow the laws of Popes who were not modernists, doesn't that make them guilty of the same thing?

Yes, exactly Meg - only worse because the sede's are as positive that pope st. Pius X was a true pope as they are that the conciliar popes have not been true popes. It's worse in their case because it demonstrates that they will not submit to any pope - true or not -  if submitting means they must sacrifice their own ideas, opinions or conclusions.

And yes, meanwhile they tell us we are heretics, liars and hypocrites for not submitting to "false" popes' sinful directives as they make excuses, reject or entirely ignore clear teachings from "true" popes. They do not see what is right in front of them.  

[Stubborn]

I think you told me about this. Do have that law, I would like to take a look at that.
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Here is a link that will open a PDF file. Note that the source for this and the comments in it are from the land of extreme dogmatic sedeism so ignore the comments.

I used to have a PDF of Pope St. Pius X's but lost it some months back when my computer died. It was essentially the same as Pope Pius XII's in the link above. I looked but could not find it online anymore so I don't know if it was removed or renamed or what.

[Mithrandylan]

It's mere tautological idiocy to use VAC the way it's being used, entirely sidestepping all of the issues that matter.  Obviously the man elected pope becomes pope, and without any delay-- one doesn't even need the law to know that.  It's completely question-begging when the question is whether or not he was elected.  In part, this question touches on capacity.  There are certain invalid matter for election-- women, for instance, or the dead, and yes, also non-Catholics.  The law does not treat of these things because it presupposes them.  On Stubborn's reading it isn't even necessary that the person be living.  He refused to answer that question the last time we discussed this.

[Stubborn]

It's mere tautological idiocy to use VAC the way it's being used, entirely sidestepping all of the issues that matter.  Obviously the man elected pope becomes pope, and without any delay-- one doesn't even need the law to know that.  It's completely question-begging when the question is whether or not he was elected.  In part, this question touches on capacity.  There are certain invalid matter for election-- women, for instance, or the dead, and yes, also non-Catholics.  The law does not treat of these things because it presupposes them.  On Stubborn's reading it isn't even necessary that the person be living.  He refused to answer that question the last time we discussed this.

Right Myth, to me, the person elected can be dead, or why not say a mirage? Honestly! I already replied in that same thread.

As I said, "And yes, meanwhile they tell us we are heretics, liars and hypocrites for not submitting to "false" popes' sinful directives as they make excuses, reject or entirely ignore clear teachings from "true" popes. They do not see what is right in front of them."  

I don't think it would matter if both pope Pius' were to come back and say: "Look, do I need to repeat myself"? The sede's would explain to them the whole process of why their laws cannot possibly apply.