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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2018, 05:41:25 PM »
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  • Herm is a Novus Ordo troll and should not be fed.

    Nobody knows WHAT it is.  Heck, it doesn't even have an assigned gender.  Maybe Herm is short for hermaphrodite for all we know.

    This Herm either won't or can't even articulate itself to the point that anyone has any idea where it stands on the Crisis.


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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #61 on: January 13, 2018, 05:47:29 PM »
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  • That's funny soy-boy considering you don't understand what indefectabilty means.

    And making fun of a holy saint's name...sickening.


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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #62 on: January 14, 2018, 05:47:51 AM »
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  • Nobody knows WHAT it is.  Heck, it doesn't even have an assigned gender.  Maybe Herm is short for hermaphrodite for all we know.

    This Herm either won't or can't even articulate itself to the point that anyone has any idea where it stands on the Crisis.
    Even though he does not come out and admit it, he has to accept all the post Vatican II popes and Vatican II.  Otherwise, based on his assertions, he would have to believe that the Roman Church has defected.  Don't you see?  I think he knows that to admit this here would create a firestorm.

    IF that is not true, then he could always deny it.  But he has not done so to date.
    ANYTHING, but Sedevacantism

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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #63 on: January 14, 2018, 05:55:04 AM »
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  • Even though he does not come out and admit it, he has to accept all the post Vatican II popes and Vatican II.  Otherwise, based on his assertions, he would have to believe that the Roman Church has defected.  Don't you see?  I think he knows that to admit this here would create a firestorm.

    IF that is not true, then he could always deny it.  But he has not done so to date.
    Well, what's your thoughts? Has the Roman Church defected? If not, please explain...

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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #64 on: January 14, 2018, 06:01:54 AM »
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  • Well, what's your thoughts? Has the Roman Church defected? If not, please explain...
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    ANYTHING, but Sedevacantism


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #65 on: January 14, 2018, 07:53:46 AM »
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  • Well, what's your thoughts? Has the Roman Church defected? If not, please explain...

    I've already explained my thoughts on the matter.  What we haven't heard from you is an explanation of your position ... to the point that no one knows what you are, R&R, Resistance, some weird flavor of SV (like those who think we haven't had a pope since St. Pius X), Palmerian, follower of Pope Michael, Novus Ordo, Orthodox, Old Catholic, man or woman?

    Obviously the Roman Church and the Catholic Church at large have not defected; they can't defect.  Question is how we reconcile this truth with what we're seeing in the Crisis.

    And obviously no Catholic believes that the Church has defected, so you're beating a dead horse and wasting everyone's time.

    Until you explain what your position on the Crisis is, I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore ... since we're wasting our time trying to infer a position from you.  Sure, different groups of Traditional Catholics accuse other groups of having a theology which implies a defection, but until we hear your actual argument, there's nothing more to discuss with you.

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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #66 on: Yesterday at 02:48:52 AM »
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  • It is not just the pope alone. It is the whole Roman Church cannot defect and fail in her mission. St Robert Bellarmine actually points this out.

    But that is only an opinion and St. Bellarmine himself is careful to present it as such. He insists that his thesis is not a matter of divine faith, but pie credendum.

    I am looking forward reading any other evidence you may have on this particular point. (indefectibility of the local Church of Rome in itself, apart from / without the pope).
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #67 on: Yesterday at 09:12:54 PM »
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  • But that is only an opinion and St. Bellarmine himself is careful to present it as such. He insists that his thesis is not a matter of divine faith, but pie credendum.

    I am looking forward reading any other evidence you may have on this particular point. (indefectibility of the local Church of Rome in itself, apart from / without the pope).

    You agreed with the quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia - what more do you need?

    As a Roman Catholic one accepts that the particular Church which all other particular Churches are in communion is the Roman Church. It is the only particular Church which indefectability is assured.

    So where is that Roman Church today?


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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #68 on: Yesterday at 10:30:15 PM »
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  • You agreed with the quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia - what more do you need?

    As a Roman Catholic one accepts that the particular Church which all other particular Churches are in communion is the Roman Church. It is the only particular Church which indefectability is assured.

    So where is that Roman Church today?
    The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846

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    Re: should I be a seda? uncertain
    « Reply #69 on: Yesterday at 11:01:20 PM »
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  • The Church will be in eclipse, the world will be in dismay Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846

    All particular Churches are eclipsed? Just the Roman Church?

     

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