Author Topic: How many people believe this dogma (Read 1122 times)

CM · « **on:** July 29, 2009, 02:47:20 AM »

Quote from: Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council, Session 3, Chapter 4, #14

Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy mother Church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.

CM · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2009, 12:45:38 AM »

Oh did I mention I believe it? And I apply it to my Faith. Anyone who doesn't is "picking an choosing".

CM · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2009, 01:52:19 AM »

Does anybody have the guts to say straight up that they either;

A) Believe this dogma, or
B) Don't believe this dogma?

If you can't bring yourself to answer the question it really means that you don't hold the Faith whole and inviolate.

If a person says answers A), then they have to admit that baptism of blood, baptism of desire and limbo of infants are heresy, and that canonizations are only fallible teachings.

If a person answers B) they have to admit that they reject the authority of the pope and are a schismatic and a heretic.

CM · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2009, 02:21:00 PM »

That's it. I'm publicly calling out the heretic Caminus. What say you?

Caminus · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2009, 02:39:52 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

That's it. I'm publicly calling out the heretic Caminus. What say you?

:soapbox:

Dawn · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2009, 03:10:22 PM »

For the record, I believe.

CMMM · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2009, 03:13:16 PM »

It's not a simple black and white issue. You may believe the Dogma as you understand it, but it's an altogether different thing to believe the Dogma as the church understands it.

Distinctions must be made when dealing with Salvation!

Elizabeth · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2009, 09:18:42 PM »

What about those Nativity scenes, Catholic Martyr? Are we heretics when we put up the Creche at Christmas?

Why do we have the Three wise men venerating the Holy Infant? What about people who use these images and celebrate the Epiphany? Have we all been mislead for centuries?

trad123 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2009, 09:40:18 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

What about those Nativity scenes, Catholic Martyr? Are we heretics when we put up the Creche at Christmas?

Why do we have the Three wise men venerating the Holy Infant? What about people who use these images and celebrate the Epiphany? Have we all been mislead for centuries?

I found this from a Google search, all stated on many different websites:

Quote

Tradition has it that in later years the Wise Men were baptized by St. Thomas the Apostle. All three became bishops and spent the rest of their lives spreading Christianity. They lived to be over 100 years old and died within a few days of each other in the city of Sewa (modern day Sebaste in Armenia), where they were buried. Their remains were brought to Constantinople in the 4th or 5th century and later moved to Milan. In the 12th century they fell into the hands of Holy Roman emperor Frederick Barbarossa, who gave them to the Archbishop of Cologne, Germany. The archbishop built a cathedral for the relics in Cologne, where they remain to this day.

Vladimir · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:25:16 AM »

I do not understand your post, David.

CM · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2009, 02:29:06 AM »

Quote from: C.M.M.M

It's not a simple black and white issue. You may believe the Dogma as you understand it, but it's an altogether different thing to believe the Dogma as the church understands it.

Distinctions must be made when dealing with Salvation!

In other words, you deny the quote in the first post. That makes you a heretic, who would believe the teachings of men, except you call it the 'understanding' of the Church, as if the Church had not spoken in the declaration itself, rather than believe the infallible authority of God, speaking through the Holy Roman Pontiff, Vicar of Jesus Christ. His words, as they are declared, are the TRUTH. All you need to do is read them carefully and apply them to your Faith.