Author Topic: How long will this apostasy continue ? (Read 958 times)

curiouscatholic23 · « **on:** October 14, 2011, 01:59:50 AM »

What are some of the reasons why God is letting this apostasy continue since 1958? Who here other than MHFM honestly believe we are living in the last days? Who here other than MHFM honestly believes JP2 was the anti-christ? I just don't understand how this vatican 2 sect can continue its apostasy for over 50 years. At some point God has to intervene. Is this apostasy a punishment for man's sins? A punishment for catholics being too lukewarm before vatican 2? What is going on here??

I have accepted the sedevacantist conclusion but sometimes I wake up in the morning and feel like this whole thing is crazy.

I also have a hard time accepting the catholic chuch in the medieval period when it seems like some of the popes were corrupt and had women on the side and basically seem like they had too much secular power than Christ really intended them to have. I think Fr. Malachi Martin has said the same thing. Could these corrupt medieval popes who had girlfriends/boyfriends really have been the successor of St. Peter?? Were these men really infalliable? It seems crazy when I really think about it sometimes.

Sometimes I go on youtube and there are hundreds of videos detailing how corrupt the catholic church is going back to the Jesuits/Knights Templar/Freemasnory. A lot of times people say Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a product of the jesuits. Is this true? Did the jesuits create masonry? I thought jesuits were holy like St. Francis Xavier? Someone give me some straight answers.

Are protestant fundamentalists right when they say "The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon" (referring to the Vatican 2 sect that APPEARS to be the catholic church?)

Pyrrhos · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2011, 02:40:42 AM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

I also have a hard time accepting the catholic chuch in the medieval period when it seems like some of the popes were corrupt and had women on the side and basically seem like they had too much secular power than Christ really intended them to have. I think Fr. Malachi Martin has said the same thing. Could these corrupt medieval popes who had girlfriends/boyfriends really have been the successor of St. Peter?? Were these men really infalliable? It seems crazy when I really think about it sometimes.

Dear friend,

I highly recommend to read some Catholic Church history, and not the crap which modernists and atheists alike do want you to believe.

It is extremely doubtful, whether Pope(s) did have such a thing. And surely not in the Middle Ages, the corruption really reached a high level in Renaissance times.

In any case, the successor of St. Peter is granted infallibility, not impeccability.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2011, 03:43:27 AM »

Quote from: curiouscatholic23

What are some of the reasons why God is letting this apostasy continue since 1958? Who here other than MHFM honestly believe we are living in the last days? Who here other than MHFM honestly believes JP2 was the anti-christ? I just don't understand how this vatican 2 sect can continue its apostasy for over 50 years. At some point God has to intervene. Is this apostasy a punishment for man's sins? A punishment for catholics being too lukewarm before vatican 2? What is going on here??

I have accepted the sedevacantist conclusion but sometimes I wake up in the morning and feel like this whole thing is crazy.

I also have a hard time accepting the catholic chuch in the medieval period when it seems like some of the popes were corrupt and had women on the side and basically seem like they had too much secular power than Christ really intended them to have. I think Fr. Malachi Martin has said the same thing. Could these corrupt medieval popes who had girlfriends/boyfriends really have been the successor of St. Peter?? Were these men really infalliable? It seems crazy when I really think about it sometimes.

Sometimes I go on youtube and there are hundreds of videos detailing how corrupt the catholic church is going back to the Jesuits/Knights Templar/Freemasnory. A lot of times people say Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ is a product of the jesuits. Is this true? Did the jesuits create masonry? I thought jesuits were holy like St. Francis Xavier? Someone give me some straight answers.

Are protestant fundamentalists right when they say "The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon" (referring to the Vatican 2 sect that APPEARS to be the catholic church?)

Do you doubt there are many sinners that keep the Faith? Even if they are spiritually dead, they have the Faith?

Someone like Pope Leo X, however worldly and corrupt he might have been, was a stickler for orthodoxy.

The difference since Vatican II is that the Popes are literally non-Catholics in a very clear way.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2011, 06:47:23 AM »

I don't think we are in the Last Times though I don't doubt that it is possible.

Tradtional Catholics are simply not suffering any real persecutions in much of the world. There are inconveniences, yes, but when one reads histories of persecutions, our petty problems are nothing compared with Catholics who have suffered true persecutions.

As for feeling that the whole problem is crazy, you're not alone. The situation in the world IS crazy. The difference between our times and past Crises, however, is that technology has connected the faithful in a way that was never before possible. In the past, when a parish, diocese, province, or country fell away from the Church the few Catholics who remained faithful must have thought they were the last ones left in the entire world. Today, we have the comfort of knowing that the Faith has not even remotely disappeared; it is much dimminished, but far from gone.

God has allowed the Crisis to continue so that He can demonstrate His Glory.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2011, 09:08:29 AM »

We're in the beginning of the End Times, according to Our Lady of Fatima. The reason God is allowing this apostasy is for the very same reasons he allows other evils in the world such as the bad economy, for punishment and as a means of drawing people closer to Him. People stopped appreciating the Traditional Latin Mass, which was quite evident when hardly anyone during Vatican II tried to keep it. So God took it away.

John Paul II was not the Antichrist. As I stated on another thread, Scriptures and prophecies tell us that the Antichrist will be a Jєω who will appear in the Holy Lands. He will be posessed by satan and will claim to be either a prophet or Christ Himself. First the chastisement (three days of darkness) must come, then there will be a period of peace. Then mankind will fall back into selfishness and mortal sin, and as punishment we will be sent the Antichrist. After he "rules" the world for a while, the Second Coming of Christ will come and the Antichrist will be slayed. Then the world will end.

Freemasons started off as "Stonemasons" who built Churches and were actually nice people. Somewhere along the way though, they became Freemasons and became corrupt. I don't remember who in particular (besides satan) was responsible for Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, but regardless Masonry is condemned by the (pre-Vatican II) Catholic Church.