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How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?

In 5 to 10 years.
3 (15.8%)
In 10 to 15 years.
2 (10.5%)
In 15 to 20 years.
1 (5.3%)
In 20 to 25 years.
1 (5.3%)
More than 25 years.
12 (63.2%)

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Offline JJoseph

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How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
« on: May 21, 2024, 07:24:09 AM »
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  • Poll question.


    Offline JJoseph

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2024, 07:27:50 AM »
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  • When I think we have 4 Great Men like (1) +Erdo (2) +Burke (3) +Sarah, (4) +Ranjith so close to the Papacy that, quite possibly, one of them could become Pope in theory within the next 5 to 10 years, I'm not worried. Focus on prayer, sacrifice, and doing the duties of one's state of life. God will send the promised Angelic Pontiff, and all will be well after that.

    Imo, the Solution will come from the Successor of St. Peter alone, as +ABL already said in 1966:

    "The Church's destruction is proceeding apace. Through an exaggerated authority granted to Episcopal conferences, the Sovereign Pontiff has rendered himself impotent. In a single year, how many painful examples! And yet, the Successor of Peter and he alone can save the Church."

    It's the same reason I was saying some time back, Catholics should choose Ron DeSantis for US President. With someone as solid and Pro-Life Catholic as that, you can doze off for most of the next 4 years if you want, and things will take care of themselves. Likewise, if we get one of Erdo, or Sarah, or Ranjith et al, the next potentially 10 or 20 years after that will be good. But we must fight for it, pray for it, act for it, work is necessary, Catholic Action.

    Here is more on +Erdo: And Pope Francis is 87.

    It's unlikely he will govern the Church much longer.

    Cardinal Erdo, Archbishop of Budapest in Hungary, is considered a Papabile. He respects the TLM, and is favorable to outreach toward the Orthodox. He would probably be the best candidate.

    "Hungarian Cardinal Péter Erdő – Archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest – may be emerging as a front-runner to succeed Pope Francis. Cardinal Erdő is considered a traditionalist who respects the celebration of the Latin Mass. But Cardinal Erdő is also respected by liberals like the Holy Father, suggesting he could be a unifying force within the Church. Pope Francis has already appointed Cardinal Erdő as the "relator general" of the Third Extraordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops. The Hungarian cardinal has also been vocal in his support for outreach to Orthodox Christians which may be significant given the huge numbers of Ukrainians currently in Hungary. "

    https://catholicherald.co.uk/could-cardinal-erdo-unite-the-church/





    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2024, 08:09:39 AM »
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  • No good (or valid) Pope under Vll.
    Vll has to be dissolved and the Church needs to be restored to Tradition. It will be accomplished as an act of God like Fatima or other supernatural intervention.

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2024, 09:07:14 AM »
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  • Only God knows.  

    Our concentration should be God.   

    Pope who?
    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline Simeon

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2024, 10:13:01 AM »
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  • 4 Great Men like (1) +Erdo (2) +Burke (3) +Sarah, (4) +Ranjith 

    Every man that publicly affirms the BS we see in the above quote, is the precise reason WHY it is taking so long. Men like these do not deserve the Great Grace of a True Pope. Men like these vastly outnumber the men who tell the Truth, and who are willing to suffer for It. Thus we languish and pay for the folly of others. 

    This guy, JJoseph, has turned this forum into a putt-putt course. He's going around from topic to topic, trying to score. 

    But I think this is more in line, both with his conduct and his poll:



    Offline Simeon

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2024, 10:15:27 AM »
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  • P.S. I downvoted you because you are a member of a false religion posing as a Catholic; and even worse, peddling your BS on a Catholic forum. 

    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2024, 10:25:46 AM »
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  • When I think we have 4 Great Men like (1) +Erdo (2) +Burke (3) +Sarah, (4) +Ranjith
    :facepalm::jester:

    Btw, I didn't bother responding to your poll.  The issue isn't a good pope.  It's a true pope.  And I'll take a bad true pope over a good fake pope any day.

    Offline pnw1994

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2024, 10:44:42 AM »
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  • The mentality displayed here is a great reminder of why the SSPX of old warned so strongly against attending Masses said under the indult (FSSP etc). 

    It’s a matter of: DOCTRINE, DOCTRINE, DOCTRINE. 

    If any of these four cardinals would make a good Pope, why haven’t they come out and publicly repudiated Vatican 2, told Francis that he professes a non-Catholic faith, etc. 

    The problem is divine, so the solution will be divine. We don’t just vote our way out of something like this. The problem is solved by fire and chastisement. 

    Traditional Catholics: stay away from FSSP and Indult. Even though there may be individual priests and laity there of good will, the entire system is contaminated. 
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2024, 01:20:45 PM »
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  • The mentality displayed here is a great reminder of why the SSPX of old warned so strongly against attending Masses said under the indult (FSSP etc).

    It’s a matter of: DOCTRINE, DOCTRINE, DOCTRINE.

    If any of these four cardinals would make a good Pope, why haven’t they come out and publicly repudiated Vatican 2, told Francis that he professes a non-Catholic faith, etc.

    The problem is divine, so the solution will be divine. We don’t just vote our way out of something like this. The problem is solved by fire and chastisement.

    Traditional Catholics: stay away from FSSP and Indult. Even though there may be individual priests and laity there of good will, the entire system is contaminated.

    So, the one consideration I have is that if these men have the Catholic faith and enjoy a legitimate election, I believe that the Holy Ghost would "convert" them to Traditional Catholicism due to of the graces of state / office.  This happened to Pope Pius IX.  There's credible evidence that he joined the Masons earlier in life, but, in either case, he had been reputed to be one of the most liberal Cardinals in the Church.  God converted him to where he became an intransigent Traditionalist and conservative.  As an aside, that's why, IMO, the conspirators who put Roncalli on the See instead of Siri waited until Siri had been elected and accepted, since they could have threatened him before the conclave not to accept.  Had they done so, however, they realized they would be thwarted again by the protection of the Holy Ghost over the papacy.  So they had to have an individual in there posing as pope but who did not have legitimate election.

    So, while I agree with sedeprivationism in principle, I don't think that's what we're seeing here, since I don't believe these men have even legitimate MATERIAL election on account of the Siri impediment.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #9 on: May 21, 2024, 01:28:28 PM »
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  • IMO, it'll be somewhere between 2029 and 2033.  I believe it'll be toward the later part of that time period.

    Our Lady came on June 13, 1929 to Sister Lucia to request the consecration of Russia.  She did not pick that day randomly.  Then some time later, Our Lord appeared to Sister Lucia and complained to her that the Popes had not performed the consecration and that they were following the example of the kings of France.  Well, in that scenario Our Lord requested that the King of France consecrate the country to His Sacred Heart.  They delayed and failed to do so, and exactly 100 years TO THE DAY after the request, the King of France was deposed, eventually to be executed.  Those kings could have prevented the evil French Revolution had they complied with the request.  Now we have the "French Revolution in the Church", even so termed by Ratzinger, with the obvious Masonic fingerprints of liberte, egalite, fraternite all over it.  I believe the consecration of Russia would have thwarted Vatican II.  So I believe that on June 13, 2029, that is when the major physical chastisement will begin.  At some point during the chaos there will be a legitimate holy pope elected, who will perform the consecration, and then there will be a miraculous triumph of the Church (facilitated by the conversion of Russia, who will then turn to fight on behalf of the Church).  That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

    Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #10 on: May 21, 2024, 02:47:24 PM »
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  • :facepalm::jester:

    ...I'll take a bad true pope over a good fake pope any day.

    That could be the quote of the year.


    Offline Yeti

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #11 on: May 21, 2024, 02:55:35 PM »
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  • The mentality displayed here is a great reminder of why the SSPX of old warned so strongly against attending Masses said under the indult (FSSP etc).

    It’s a matter of: DOCTRINE, DOCTRINE, DOCTRINE.

    If any of these four cardinals would make a good Pope, why haven’t they come out and publicly repudiated Vatican 2, told Francis that he professes a non-Catholic faith, etc.
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    This. Silence is a form of consent. By the silence of their refusal to publicly condemn Vatican 2, the new Mass, etc., these "conservative" cardinals are thereby consenting to them.

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    Traditional Catholics: stay away from FSSP and Indult. Even though there may be individual priests and laity there of good will, the entire system is contaminated.

    I don't recall the details, but don't the FSSP publicly accept Vatican 2 and the new Mass, in the sense that they make it clear that they have no doctrinal objections to these things? I thought that was a condition of their permission to use the Latin Mass. Does anyone recall this?

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #12 on: May 21, 2024, 03:06:08 PM »
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  • I remember reading in one of +Lefebvre's books that he definitely warned against attending the FSSP and other 'Latin Mass' groups as they basically accept Vatican II.  In other words, they aren't in it for doctrinal reasons.  

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #13 on: May 22, 2024, 12:20:28 AM »
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  • .

    This. Silence is a form of consent. By the silence of their refusal to publicly condemn Vatican 2, the new Mass, etc., these "conservative" cardinals are thereby consenting to them.

    I don't recall the details, but don't the FSSP publicly accept Vatican 2 and the new Mass, in the sense that they make it clear that they have no doctrinal objections to these things? I thought that was a condition of their permission to use the Latin Mass. Does anyone recall this?
    Not only does the FSSP have no public objection to the new Mass and various other conciliar innovations, they are designed and chartered to work for a “better” implementation of Vatican II. You may hear individual priests speak out from time to time on some of Francis’s most obvious errors but this is just low hanging fruit and doesn’t change the fact that you will never hear an FSSP priest publicly condemn the new Mass or the errors of V2 from the pulpit.

    these men simply say the old Mass because it is “their charism” or it’s “more reverent.”

    they tell their people that they are bound to attend the New Mass on Sundays when there is no traditional Mass available (which I find kind of funny. Their priests can say the old Mass, but their faithful are left out in the cold. Rules for me but not for thee.)

    to make matters worse, they are some of the most vocal opponents of sspx. They exist to draw faithful away from the sspx. They have a church close to our SSPX chapel. It is big and shiny and has a fancy website and beautiful vestments and a pretty choir and good meals after Mass so they have a sizeable following. 

    a few years ago at a wedding, one of their priests told me I’m not Catholic and I’m outside the church because my family attends SSPX. I told him I prefer to receive sacraments from priests whose orders are certainly valid. He didn’t like that, ha ha. 

    many of their lay people are personally solid people with a genuine love for tradition and many actually are more fired up about tradition than some long time SSPXers. Their young people seem devout. The problem though, is at the heart of the matter, they are conciliar Catholics and NOT traditional Catholics.

    traditional Catholicism entails warring against the Conciliar religion, “rejecting it with horror” as I remember Bishop Tissier preaching at ordinations one year. Not joining with Rome, trading silence for the “permission” to say the indult Mass. they are conciliar and not traditional!

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    Re: How long (do you think) till we get a Good Pope?
    « Reply #14 on: May 22, 2024, 12:34:23 AM »
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  • I remember reading in one of +Lefebvre's books that he definitely warned against attending the FSSP and other 'Latin Mass' groups as they basically accept Vatican II.  In other words, they aren't in it for doctrinal reasons. 
    Yes you’re correct. Someone else can dig up quotes, he gave a great conference to his priests at Econe ca. 1990. It has largely been scrubbed from SSPX websites. The Archbishop lays out in no uncertain term that the indult movement is nothing less than a serious betrayal of the faith. 

    Even more recently, until about 15 years ago, SSPX publications like the Angelus, Fideliter, etc. were full of hard hitting pieces that slammed the indult movement. Many of the older priests have seemingly given up the fight or been purged already. 

    There is some conviction left. Recently an SSPX priest I know who serves a chapel every other week, strongly urged his faithful against attending FSSP on the off-weeks, telling them they should stay at home rather than compromise. By and large though, the SSPX has unfortunately gone silent on the topic as an institution. This is unfortunate and has serious consequences on a practical level as I know many young people raised in the Society who have no hesitation about attending a 12 pm indult Mass because they want to sleep in. 
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