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Offline Daegus

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How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
« on: August 25, 2011, 07:00:42 PM »
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  • I am curious to know for those who are sedevacantists. I noticed that once I posited the notion that Benedict might not be Pope to some people, basically 99% of the reactions were that I was a heretic, a schismatic, this, that, etc. Basically I was quickly condemned. What's amazing too is.. All of this is from the Vatican II "Catholics" who refuse to condemn anyone! Isn't it amazing how quickly they will change from "loving", "accepting" "Catholics" to vicious, bad willed vipers? These people also won't even listen to any of the reasons why I don't believe Benedict can be Pope. They just ignore what I say and say that I'm a heretic and so on. It makes NO SENSE to call people like Protestants and the so-called Orthodox "separated brethren" even though they're heretics but say that I'm a heretic for not denying any dogma.

    I don't even claim that anyone who accepts Benedict as pope is a heretic. What I do claim is that there's no real way this man could logically be Pope, given what we know about Church teaching and that to accept his heresies and the heretical Vatican II is what makes you a heretic. In fact, how could I be a heretic when I don't deny any revealed dogma? I don't deny the papacy or papal infallibility. I accept those dogmas to the extent that I would deny someone who makes a complete joke of those dogmas like the VII "popes" have and reject their non-existent authority. It's not a dogma of the faith that any of the VII "popes" are true Popes. It's not even a doctrine, passed down by the Apostles and the Church Fathers that these men are true popes, so there's no way that reason, in and of itself, could possibly make me a heretic. This obviously drives them up the wall and their bad will is laid out for exhibition.

    Novus Ordoite "Catholics" may be somewhat hostile to traditionalist Catholics, but that hostility is nowhere NEAR as scathing for traditionalists who accept Benedict than it is for those that don't.

    How has being a sedevacantist (which I don't really even call myself because I don't care for that label) changed your life?
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra


    Offline Gregory I

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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 08:28:14 PM »
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  • I am a traditional Catholic who believes the Holy see is in an interregnum. I opt for the Position of SSPV: It is an acceptable opinion that is logically true. But it is not a Dogma.

    For me, it has contributed toward my faith. I feel so happy knowing that all these contradictions between the Novus Ordo and Tradition are just that: Contradictions.

    I love the truth, and I feel fulfilled by knowing the truth. I hope that God is glorified in the truth, no matter how horrific.

    I would rather be faithful to tradition than reject it on the basis of being "modern."

    1945 is good enough for me.

    However, I do notice that it tends to carry isolation with it...that is sad...
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 04:00:54 AM »
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  • It hasn't changed my life as much as converting to Catholicism, as a whole, has.

    It has definitely been a narrow and hard path, but I am sure of it that it is the truth and lovers of truth we must be. Some person in history once said (and probably a VaticanII worshipper) that "if Jesus and the truth ever separated, I would follow Jesus." What a blasphemous thing to say, in my opinion, for it is divinely revealed that Jesus WILL NEVER separate from the Truth, ever. Ever. Did I really say ever? Yeah. Ever.
     
    Yes, it has been a path of isolation as well, but so is just being a non-sedevacantist believing Catholic.. just to a lesser degree. I will say though, and I believe wholeheartedly that the truth shall set you free. So I say to everyone... follow the Truth, and do it before its too late and you regret you ever did!


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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 07:18:24 AM »
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    It hasn't changed my life as much as converting to Catholicism, as a whole, has.

    It has definitely been a narrow and hard path, but I am sure of it that it is the truth and lovers of truth we must be. Some person in history once said (and probably a VaticanII worshipper) that "if Jesus and the truth ever separated, I would follow Jesus." What a blasphemous thing to say, in my opinion, for it is divinely revealed that Jesus WILL NEVER separate from the Truth, ever. Ever. Did I really say ever? Yeah. Ever.
     
    Yes, it has been a path of isolation as well, but so is just being a non-sedevacantist believing Catholic.. just to a lesser degree. I will say though, and I believe wholeheartedly that the truth shall set you free. So I say to everyone... follow the Truth, and do it before its too late and you regret you ever did!



    Saying that Jesus could possibly separate from the Truth when he IS the Truth is a blasphemy and is a reprehensible heresy. If Jesus could separate from the Truth, then He is not God, period. It amazes me how people can say things like that and not even think of the logical consequences of doing such things. By saying something like that, they are basically denying the Holy Trinity. Amazing, isn't it?

    Novus Ordo Catholics tend to say ridiculous, blasphemous things like that all the time without realizing exactly what they're saying. There's really no excuse for that, as prudence would make one consider what they were saying before saying something like that.

    Being a Catholic in general doesn't quite hold the same level of isolation that being a "sedevacantist" holds.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra

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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 08:55:45 PM »
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  • I don't think that the comment about Jesus and the truth separating is primarily blasphemy (although it is that) as it is heartstoppingly, breathtakingly, mind numbingly stupid.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 09:09:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    I don't think that the comment about Jesus and the truth separating is primarily blasphemy (although it is that) as it is heartstoppingly, breathtakingly, mind numbingly stupid.


    Well, see, that's just it. It's "heartstoppingly, breathtakingly, mind numbingly stupid" precisely because it is such an extreme blasphemy for anyone claiming to be Christian to utter from their lips.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra

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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #6 on: August 26, 2011, 10:49:05 PM »
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  • Accepting the sedevacantist position has made me much calmer.  I no longer get incredibly angry whenever the pope and bishops say and do things that are clearly and self-evidently not Catholic; sad, yes but not angry.

    Being angry that Benedict 16 has called for an pan-religious prayer meeting would be being angry that Lutherans and Anglicans are getting together for a religious conference.  I no longer have to try to (internally, at least) reconcile the irreconcilable as one who fully accepts that the Conciliar hierarchy as Catholic bishops has to do on nearly a daily basis.

    I used to get headaches over it.  In the novel 1984 there was a thing called "crimestop" in which a person would simply shut down and move on to something else whenever a forbidden thought would enter his head or when he was confronted with a forbidden situation.  Winston was confronted with this when he had to change the historical record to delete something he personally remembered.  His inability at the time to simply push aside the forbidden thought caused him many ensuing problems.  I have that same inability to simply internally suppress those contradictions in my mind and act as if, by tweeking every situation just right, a person is really and truly a Catholic as long as he calls himself a Catholic even though he declares, in word and deed, that he rejects many of the doctrines that a person must hold to be a Catholic.

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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #7 on: August 27, 2011, 02:06:36 AM »
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  • I deplore the Dimond Brothers' attitude. It's kinda snot nosed kid.

    But I have a dark confession....I like listening to their debates, because they make EXCELLENT points most of the time, and it pumps up my faith!!!
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

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    How has being a sedevacantist changed your life?
    « Reply #8 on: August 27, 2011, 05:12:42 AM »
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  • As TKGS said it makes me calmer I no longer sit up wondering how a Pope could do something so heretical and stupid. Well its simple the "Popes" since Pius XII have been nothing but modernist heretics, so I dont need to listen to any of their crapola. I just follow the faith as it has been taught for two thousand years and pray for the day Rome is restored to Catholicism.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 27, 2011, 07:17:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    I deplore the Dimond Brothers' attitude. It's kinda snot nosed kid.

    But I have a dark confession....I like listening to their debates, because they make EXCELLENT points most of the time, and it pumps up my faith!!!


    The problem I have with the Dimond Bro's. isn't really with any of their material, it's just that they have a way of being uncharitable, especially in debates (or at least, Bro. Peter does. Bro. Michael doesn't really do debates or any of that stuff). In his debate with Ken Bird on BoD, Bro. Peter starts off with calling Ken a liar within the first few minutes of the debate, which was totally extreme. Then he says all people who agree with the position are liars or something of the sort which was too much. Ken eventually ended up agreeing with him.. So.. So much for being a "liar", right?

    I do enjoy listening to their debates at times because Bro. Peter has a way of completely annihilating most people who debate him. He makes great points and he doesn't lie about anything in his debates, which can't really be said about some of the people he debates (like that liar William Albrecht, the Novus Ordo sect apologist,  who fabricated a quote from St. Jerome just to make it seem like he had an argument)
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra

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    « Reply #10 on: August 27, 2011, 09:49:48 AM »
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  • Albrecht is a pseudo-protestant joke. he debated once with bro. Peter the meaning of the word heretic. he would not accept church definitions, only biblical ones!
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

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    « Reply #11 on: August 27, 2011, 01:50:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Daegus
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    I don't think that the comment about Jesus and the truth separating is primarily blasphemy (although it is that) as it is heartstoppingly, breathtakingly, mind numbingly stupid.


    Well, see, that's just it. It's "heartstoppingly, breathtakingly, mind numbingly stupid" precisely because it is such an extreme blasphemy for anyone claiming to be Christian to utter from their lips.


    Well, okay.  It is several different kind of evil, to be sure.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #12 on: August 27, 2011, 05:08:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    I deplore the Dimond Brothers' attitude. It's kinda snot nosed kid.

    But I have a dark confession....I like listening to their debates, because they make EXCELLENT points most of the time, and it pumps up my faith!!!



    Thats funny, because I have that same dark dirty itty bitty secret.. I like listening to their debates too. It gets me amped up and keep on fighting in the faith and for truth.

    So for that much, thank you Dimond brothers.