Author Topic: How do you think the crisis in the Church will be resolved? (Read 3357 times)

Matto · « **on:** June 23, 2010, 05:21:54 PM »

Most of us here agree that the church is in a great crisis, but there are many different opinions as to what to do about it. Many of those who acknowledge the problem are in survival mode, doing their best to stay in a state of grace during the confusion. But how will the Church recover and be restored? I have heard people suggest several possibilities:

1) Benedict or one of his successors will become a traditionalist and will condemn the current errors and restore the church. The consecration of Russia might be involved in the restoration.

2) Benedict is an anti-pope, but there is a real pope and hierarchy in hiding somewhere and the crisis will end after the real pope and hierarchy come out of hiding.

3) Benedict is an anti-pope, but traditionalists will elect their own pope who will be legitimate and this pope will restore the church somehow (Or possibly, one of the popes already elected in this way or supposedly chosen by God is actually legitimate and will restore the Church somehow).

4) God himself will miraculously choose a pope who will restore the Church, likely after a great chastisement.

5) The crisis in the Church will not end. Things will only get worse until the end of the world.

These are the solutions I have heard people talk about. My favorite solution is number 4). I don't see how the Church could be restored in a major way without a great miracle, which is what I pray for. I am sure there are other possible solutions to the crisis that I am missing. How do you think the crisis in the Church will be resolved? Please let me know what you think. Thank you.

DMorgan · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:47:55 PM »

interesting topic. I cannot see a solution any time soon short of Divine Intercession. Many have postulated the H.H. Pope Benedict is slowly turning the Church back to Tradition while attempting to avoid a Schism. Perhaps. But short of a wholesale house cleaning and a restoration of the Mass and the Canon Law of pre V-II any attept to right the ship will be in vain. All I know for certain is that Jesus said "the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church". How much Church is left is anybodies guess. :sad:

Trinity · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:05:56 PM »

The good news is that the Church is growing every day. I'm with Matto. I think God will appoint the next pope.

Belloc · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:20:06 PM »

Chastisement....

Trinity, how will God appoint the next Pope?

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:29:28 PM »

Quote from: Trinity

The good news is that the Church is growing every day. I'm with Matto. I think God will appoint the next pope.

When I said that my favorite solution was number 4), I did not mean to say that I thought that number 4) was most likely to happen. I merely meant that I found that solution to be pleasing. I honestly have no idea how the crisis in the Church will be resolved and am very confused. I am not a sedevacantist, but I would not be surprised if sedevacantism turned out to be true.

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:33:48 PM »

Quote from: Belloc

Chastisement....

Trinity, how will God appoint the next Pope?

When I saw it suggested that God would appoint the pope, it was said that according to some prophecy St. Peter himself will come down from heaven and choose the pope who will restore the Church. I don't remember which website I read this on.

Trinity · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2010, 03:44:45 PM »

Why is Belloc the Bully addessing me? Surely he knows I have him on hide, and that is so because I want nothing to do with him. Some people don't have the manners to leave others alone.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2010, 04:02:54 PM »

Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, I believe that some future pope or claimant to the papacy in the Vatican will apoint a commission to study the new rites of ordination and episcopal consecration. His intent will be to end all doubts about the new rites.

The commission, however, will determine that the new rites are not intrinsically invalid but there is sufficient cause to believe that, in some instances, a few bishops may not have had a sufficient intent to ensure validity. The pope will then suppressed the new rites of orders and episcopal consecration and, to remove any doubt any of the faithful may have, he will command the successor bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, who have undoubted valid orders to conditionally ordain and consecrate himself and every bishop in the world and command the bishops to conditional ordain every priest and deacon within his jurisdiction.

The Holy Father will then consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary along with all of the bishops of the Catholic Church.

Any bishop or priest who refuses conditional ordination/consecration or refuses to consecrate Russia with the Holy Father will be declared, by name, to be excommunicated and schismatic. This will also be when the SSPX is granted a canonical structure and the cause for Archbishop Lefebvre's cannonization will be acted upon. The Novus Ordo will be suppressed as a failed experiment.

I also believe that no one on this forum will still be alive when this occurs. The Modernist Crisis will finally be over during the lives of our children's children or later.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2010, 04:25:06 PM »

#4. A great chastisement will come (three days of darkness) then the crisis will end afterwards. A good Pope will be elected, the NO will be done away with and the TLM will be restored, and Archbishop LeFebvre will be instantly canonized.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2010, 05:47:25 AM »

ABL? Instant canonization?
:stare:

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2010, 08:28:40 AM »

I think that God will continue to allow man to waddle in this life and try to rid the world of Him, as the world continues on without Jesus Christ as their King, the world will just continue to see the wrath of God come upon the earth. God's enemies will be destroyed by something from the heavens.

People spared will realize little by little the truth.

Part of the chastsement is what we are going through right now where without a special grace from God you can not find the True religion.

If you read in the book of Romans, something is suppose to convert the Jєωs, something really spectacular as never happened before. I wonder what that is?

Belloc · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2010, 09:13:02 AM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Belloc
Chastisement....

Trinity, how will God appoint the next Pope?

When I saw it suggested that God would appoint the pope, it was said that according to some prophecy St. Peter himself will come down from heaven and choose the pope who will restore the Church. I don't remember which website I read this on.

true, Peter and paul will appoint a new Pope-but, and this is a key-after a prior pope is killed! this is a mind boggle for a SV, as they have to then conceed either there is a pope or at some future time, a real Pope is somehow elected by some one, then is killed, then an interrgum, then the Pope supported by Peter and Paul..either way, there is a Pope in the future that is recognized as a Pope....either in an unbroken line of Popes or one that is in place after the (now) 52 yr absence....who then well elect this real Pope? most electors are modernists, too old or dead..even SV cannot agree a lot on things, how would they get together and elect a true Pope? though, some have claimed to already...

what is one of reasons I cannot accept the SV position-among others....

Belloc · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2010, 09:13:32 AM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

#4. A great chastisement will come (three days of darkness) then the crisis will end afterwards. A good Pope will be elected, the NO will be done away with and the TLM will be restored, and Archbishop LeFebvre will be instantly canonized.

True, ABL will finally get the credit he is due......

Belloc · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2010, 09:16:40 AM »

Quote from: DMorgan

H.H. Pope Benedict is slowly turning the Church back to Tradition Church". How much Church is left is anybodies guess. :sad:

he is, but he is a caretaker, still trying to play both sides too much, better then JP2 in many ways.....he likely will not be with us too many more yrs..I suspect he may be the Pope to flee to Cologne (he is German, would make sense) and then die...though this is open in my mind.....that Pope to flee and die is often times noted to be a bit wishy washy, some prophecies seem to suggest too wordly and tied to the world.....perhaps his own laxity caused crisis to spiral and things to get worse...

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2010, 09:42:31 AM »

#4.

That is all.