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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 07:16:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: Emerentiana
    As some of you know, I left the modern Church after the canon of the mass was changed in 1968.  Back then, the few of us that were around did not believe that the "Pope" in the Vatican was the true pope.  The imposter at the time was Paul V1, who was responsible for the destruction of the mass.  At that time the term sedevacantist had not come into existance, and there was no SSPX.
    All of us then knew that the papacy had been ursurped.  Things were not confusing  for those who had the courage to accept the truth.   It was a frightening time.  Its interesting to note that the few traditional catholics  at the time were of one accord.  

     Very tough days.


     At the time I left the modern church, I had 5 chidren.  I went on to have 5 more.  I drove 1 1/2 hrs one way to mass once every three months.  We had mass in a house.  Priests were few, and were under so much pressure and intimidation.  There were some Tridentine masses still in the churches in some areas.
    A priest I know (hes about 45) told me that he grew up in Russia.  When he was a young boy, his family had mass in their house, with an altar that could be quickly hidden.  Who was he hiding from?  He told me that the Catholics attending mass at his home watched out the window for the KGB.  I told him that we in the late sixties were watching for the modern church and their agents.  The civil authorities were not a threat to us.
    Was a lifetime ago.  Since then we have had three generations
     of new Catholics.  A tiny remnant of Catholics know the true Faith.  All of us should be profoundly grateful that we have found and kept the true faith!


    Thank you for posting your experience.  I have wondered often what Catholics went through at this time and why so many did not protest or riot in the streets.  This explains to me a bit of the atmosphere in the air.

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    « Reply #16 on: October 06, 2011, 09:21:00 AM »
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  • My path to traditional Catholicism is miraculous, I believe.  I know, without a doubt, that I would not be here without the grace of the God and the Holy Ghost really working in my life.  My story is horribly long, but I will find the relevant details.

    I did not grow up in a religious home.  My mother's family was Southern Baptist.  My father's family was United Methodist.  (I learned in 1996 that my father's father had been a Catholic and that my father and 2 of his 3 brothers had been baptized Catholic.  My father left the Church in 1959 to marry my mother because his priest would not marry them)  

    My parents divorced in 1976.  I went to live permanently with my father in 1977 at which time he began attending the UMC where his brother attended and where his new girlfriend attended.  We continued to attend services at one UMC church or another until I graduated high school in 1985.

    I went to private school in those years that was attended by mostly Catholics and Jews.  (Our school had both Christian and Jєωιѕн holidays)  I attended Mass a lot, CYO, and youth camp.  My first exposure to Catholicism was in JPII hey-day.  I also went to temple with some of my Jєωιѕн friends. (My maiden name is rather Jєωιѕн)

    In the years while I was in college I went to mostly Pentecostal or Holiness churches.  But by 1990, I was burned out and decidedly agnostic.

    I met and married my husband in 1991 and we never attended any religious service until I was pregnant with our 2nd son in 1994.  We "experimented" but settled on a Unitarian "church" and and Episcopal one.  

    After some soul searching, my husband eventually decided that if we were going to be serious about God then we must go to a Catholic church, the church of his youth.  (He was baptized.  His mother is Calvinist.  His father Catholic, but left in the 1970s.)  That is what we did.  In 1996 we went through RCIA together.  It was a fairly progressive NO church.  We were in and out of church over the next few years.  IN--when it agreed with our secular way of thinking, OUT--when it didn't suit our purposes.  Cafeteria Catholics, I suppose.

    After our ins and outs, we found ourselves with a "conservative and traditional minded" priest.  He wore a cassock and biretta.  He brought out the Latin hymns.  He gave sermons on the evils of contraception, feminism, communism, etc.

    But in 2004, we moved to the liberal Northeast.  In the 6 years were attended NO here we experienced every liturgical abuse known to man.  Perhaps it was God's will because it nauseated me and sent me doing my own research.  During that time, there was one family who garnered nothing but sneers every Sunday, but became my models.  They had 10 children.  The girls wore mantillas.  The children sat perfectly quiet during Mass and after Mass they all knelt and prayed for 5 or 10 minutes.  They carried Missals (which I didn't know what they were).

    We discovered an FSSP Mass in our diocese and went but it was a 4 hour round-trip drive.  Too far.  We then found an indult Mass not far from here, but they kept moving from location to location.  We found a haven on the internet.

    We knew NOTHING about tradition, Vatican II, modernism, etc. before this time.  Nothing.  But the sickening experiences in our Church reminded me of my youth in the Methodist church.  I wanted to leave again, but my husband said no.  Because we just couldn't go back to NO, we stayed home for 2 months.  It was a really sad time.

    Finally, we found an SSPX chapel.  We didn't even know what that was.  We just went to Mass and immediately KNEW we were in a holy place.  I can't explain it.  We KNEW.  Our children KNEW.

    That was May of 2010.  That is when I found this site.  I have been truly grateful because it has helped me in so many ways.  I get a lot of information and inspiration from here.

    I am a product of a divorced family.  I was deprived of both my parents.  I never knew my mother.  Our relationship is difficult.  That is how I relate my experience as a Catholic.  I am a product of a divorced Church.  I was deprived of the richness and truth.  I never knew my Mother.  Now that I am reunited, it is difficult.  I am glad to be home, though.  


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    « Reply #17 on: October 06, 2011, 09:26:10 AM »
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  • InfiniteFaith, that is an exaggeration of Papal Infallibility. Not everything the Pope says or does is Infallible.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #18 on: October 06, 2011, 03:10:57 PM »
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    InfiniteFaith, that is an exaggeration of Papal Infallibility. Not everything the Pope says or does is Infallible.


    I agree with what you are saying, but there are things that the Pope has published in the newer Catechisms that people are saying is heresy. I guess at this point i'm just not sure what to believe. I will continue reading stuff on this website, and looking into it further.

    Given that what sedevacanists are saying about the papacy...and given that what they are saying is true...is it possible that this is all a part of the tribulation or something? I just can't imagine the Church without a true Pope for so long.

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    « Reply #19 on: October 06, 2011, 03:18:00 PM »
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    I agree with what you are saying, but there are things that the Pope has published in the newer Catechisms that people are saying is heresy. I guess at this point i'm just not sure what to believe. I will continue reading stuff on this website, and looking into it further.


    Alot of what these conciliar Popes have said are heresy. You're on the right track to discovering Tradition.

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    Given that what sedevacanists are saying about the papacy...and given that what they are saying is true...is it possible that this is all a part of the tribulation or something? I just can't imagine the Church without a true Pope for so long.


    Well, I'm not a sedevacantist, but I do know that the Pope is not necessary for salvation. So the Church can still survive even without a Pope, because God never abandons it.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #20 on: October 06, 2011, 03:59:34 PM »
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    I was raised as a Jew, by a born-Jєωιѕн father and a mother who was raised Italian Catholic but converted to Orthodox Judaism in 1944 when she married my father. However, I was much closer to my mom's family, and discovered traditional Catholicism through them (they all left the Church in 1970 after the changes, and I grew up as a kid hearing them complain about and discuss the changes. Their discussions made me curious, and so as a teen, I began investigating to find the True Church.)

    I first became a Catholic in the mid-1970s, via the traditionalist movement in existence at that time. I've only been to one, maybe two novus ordos in my life, so I consider myself blessed in that regard (one wedding, one funeral, if memory serves). Everything I know of the novus ordo religion, I know from fellow Catholics who were involved in it.

    However, the group I was involved with was sede, and so was/am I. When they disbanded due to the death of their priest, I had noplace to go...I drifted into the Eastern Rite but because they accept the modern "popes", that again left me out in the cold.

    I sort of became a home aloner for a long time, and unfortunately because of that I came to believe the gates of hell had indeed prevailed. It was only within the last few months that I decided that they did not, because I have missed my Catholic Faith so very much, and have always been on the periphery, wanting back in, but not knowing where or how (where I live now the closest sede TLM is about 2 hours away by car, and I am unable to drive...though I am trying to find out if anyone local to me goes to them and maybe I can share gas expenses if they take me.)

    I have looked over this forum.....I cannot believe how starved I have been all these years! So many issues we all think alike on, apart from TradCatholicism! Vaccines, survivalism, Masonry, zionism....I thank God this forum is here, and thank you to Matthew for being so kind in helping this older lady who is not very computer savvy get signed up (my registration was messed up at first).

    I have contented myself with watching videos of TLMs on YouTube; thank God my son told me about that!

    I am so happy to be home, and to be here! Deo gratias!


    We should not listen to Popes anymore? I thought whatever the Pope says is bound in heaven.



    He has to be a legitimate Pope. I do accept the office of the Papacy, and every legitimate Pope (from Pius XII on back). Its the modernistic claimants to the office that some have questions about, including me.
    "If I am not in the state of grace, may the Lord put me in it. And if I am in the state of grace, may the Lord keep me in it".--St Jehanne D'Arc, during her trial.

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    « Reply #21 on: October 06, 2011, 06:16:19 PM »
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    I grew up NO Catholic in a small town. We had a fairly conservative priest from 1980-92 (who later died of a heart attack while on a trip to the Holy Land) whose influence held for some time after, so I never experienced anything too bizarre. I went to a Lutheran university as it was the closest college to my house and realized sometime during those years that, despite having had 14 years of youth catechism, I knew next to nothing about Catholicism.  :smirk:


    Change 1980-92 to 1964-1973, and this is exactly the story of my life! Unfortunately, in my mid-20's I fell away from the Faith altogether and it was another 12 years before I returned to Her!

    When I came back to the Faith, after the intervention of the Holy Spirit and the BVM, I went straight to Tradition. I had a corporal vision and an intellectual vision, both of which pointed in the same direction. I didn't even know where to find Tradition at first, but thanks to the Lord's help and the Internet, I started attending an Indult Mass and then after several years, the SSPX.

    I see God's Hand not only in everything that's happened to me personally, but also in the Crisis as a whole. I don't worry too much about Nibiru or the 3DD. Everything will shake out as God intends it to. We just have to play our part. Sometimes this is really hard to do because we don't have the proper authorities to determine who's right and who's wrong on certain issues, but we do know what never changes--the Church's Eternal Truth! We can't go wrong if we follow the Faith as our ancestors once did.
    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.

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    « Reply #22 on: October 06, 2011, 06:22:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Emerentiana
    As some of you know, I left the modern Church after the canon of the mass was changed in 1968.  Back then, the few of us that were around did not believe that the "Pope" in the Vatican was the true pope.  The imposter at the time was Paul V1, who was responsible for the destruction of the mass.  At that time the term sedevacantist had not come into existance, and there was no SSPX.
    All of us then knew that the papacy had been ursurped.  Things were not confusing  for those who had the courage to accept the truth.   It was a frightening time.  Its interesting to note that the few traditional catholics  at the time were of one accord.  
     


    Emerentiana,
     I'm very interested in this time period right after Vat2. I know that the "heresies of Paul VI" have been enumerated many times on this forum and others, but could you please tell me specifically what was it that made you and the other dissenters at that time decide that Paul was not the Pope? What exactly did he do that made you sure that he was an impostor? Was there anything else besides the promulgation of the Novus Ordo?

    I appreciate your taking the time to reply, or if any other "old-timer" Trads want to opine, I would love to hear it.
    St. Jude, who, disregarding the threats of the impious, courageously preached the doctrine of Christ,
    pray for us.


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    « Reply #23 on: October 09, 2011, 05:46:57 PM »
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  • We decided in 1970 that we had to leave our home parish after we talked to our long-time pastor there and he told us that he had "no choice" but to go along with the changes.  He told us that he had held back with the changes that his bishop had been telling him to make as long as he could.  He said that other parishes were ahead of ours with the changes.

    With great sadness he told us that our bishop, his bishop, told him that if he didn't go along with all the changes that he (our pastor) would be ousted with no retirement pension.  We held firm and told him he was putting his soul in jeopardy.  He said he felt he had to stay for the sake of his parishioners.

    He told us that he understood why we were leaving and he didn't have much to say, just that he was so very very sad.  He had gone from a vibrant priest to a beaten man who all of a sudden looked 15 years older. It was a very sad good-bye.  Heartbreaking, actually.  He had been our pastor for many years.  He was like a father to us.  What am I saying?!  He WAS a father to us.  I can weep now these many years later.  It seems just like last week when we sat with him and tried to convince him to go back to saying the Tridentine Latin Mass.  May God have mercy on his soul.  He died some years ago.

    We then began traveling to another city to attend the Byzantine Mass.  We soon met a few other families who also had left the NO in our area and they told us that a retired Roman Catholic priest was going to come and live in a near-by city and say Mass for them and would we be interested?  Indeed we were so we all pitched in to pay this priest's rent and other expenses.

    Here I have a very similar story to tell that Emerentiana tells.  We went in secret to this priest's rented house for Sunday and Holy Day Masses and once a week catechism lessons for the kids.  The priest asked us to park a few blocks away and walk quietly to his house and enter a back door quietly, no talking outside whatsoever. He was always afraid of the local church authorities.  We always worried that we would be found out and that the priest would be "kicked out" of the area or who-knows-what. This priest only wore his Roman collar inside his own house, or if he visited our houses he would put it on after he came in.  We were never supposed to address him as father if we saw him outside.  He seemed a bit more paranoid than necessary, but we felt that he must have known that he could be chased away if the local church authorities found out that he was saying the outlawed true Tridentine Mass.  We were indeed living in the catacombs.

    We were just so very grateful to attend the true Mass, all squished together like sardines in the small living room fo this rented house with all the curtains and blinds closed.  We thanked God for the true Mass, the Blessed Sacrament, Confession, our Holy Faith.

    Those were the early years.  

    Always thank our Gracious Lord and His Blessed Mother for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Holy Eucharist.

    Blessed be God and His Holy Name!  In His Gracious Mercy He allows us the True Mass and His Body and Blood, the life blood for our souls.   :incense:  

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    « Reply #24 on: October 09, 2011, 07:29:13 PM »
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  • Ora,
    That was my story exactly!  I didnt know you went that far back.  However, the priest that was in our parish went along willingly with the changes, and didnt care much for the few of us that left.  
    Juse,
    I had a whole page typed the other night and went to post it.  It disappeared!  Didnt feel like writing another whole page.  I have been attending the 51st annual Fatima Conference in Spokane.  Long hours, but such an inspiring event!
    For those of you who would like to buy the CDS, Im sure they will be available on the CMRI website soon.
    Well, I can say, Jude, that if Paul the VI was responsible for destroying the mass.what other evidence do we need that he was an antipope?
    The papal election was interfered with.  
    A good book to read is Judaism and the Vatican (Poncins). You can get the book on Amazon.com and buy it thru the link on this site so Matthew can get the credit for it.

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    « Reply #25 on: October 09, 2011, 07:59:01 PM »
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  • Emerentiana,
    Are you sure that conference is the 51st?  Were CMRI really in operation 51 years ago?  I feel older every day! Well, we're all older every day!  :scratchchin: How time flies!  :stare:



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    « Reply #26 on: October 09, 2011, 08:20:07 PM »
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  • The CMRI started in 1968, I believe.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #27 on: October 09, 2011, 08:25:22 PM »
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    With great sadness he told us that our bishop, his bishop, told him that if he didn't go along with all the changes that he (our pastor) would be ousted with no retirement pension.  We held firm and told him he was putting his soul in jeopardy.  He said he felt he had to stay for the sake of his parishioners.

    He told us that he understood why we were leaving and he didn't have much to say, just that he was so very very sad.  He had gone from a vibrant priest to a beaten man who all of a sudden looked 15 years older. It was a very sad good-bye.  Heartbreaking, actually.  He had been our pastor for many years.  He was like a father to us.  What am I saying?!  He WAS a father to us.  I can weep now these many years later.  It seems just like last week when we sat with him and tried to convince him to go back to saying the Tridentine Latin Mass.  May God have mercy on his soul.  He died some years ago.


    This is why the way the SSPX is managed, throwing priests out onto the street for speaking up to the big boss and his cronies is very dangerous.

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    « Reply #28 on: October 09, 2011, 08:27:04 PM »
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  • I had read about tradition for many years but was very depressed and not going to mass until I went to Eucharistic adoration at the old seminary in Cincinnati, the Holy Spirit Center.  Then I went to mass the next week.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 09, 2011, 08:40:36 PM »
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  • I've mentioned in other threads that I was raised Prot and was also a paid Prot minister, but I didn't give the whole of my backstory. Here are the salient parts:

    Born in 1973 to nominal Novus parents; baptized as an infant.

    Adopted by fundamentalist Prot parents in 1976 due to my biological mother's severe health and financial issues.

    My adoptive mother's family are all Catholic; many were traditional and stayed in their churches throughout the changes brought on by the NO; my grandfather stopped attending at the time of the NO and my grandmother kept going for some years after, but never stopped her traditional devotions nor stopped going to the validly-ordained priests there for confession, etc.

    My adoptive father's family are all Prot (mostly Lutherans). There are a few Catholics, but most of them died many years ago.

    To make a VERY long and involved story a BIT shorter, suffice it to say that I grew more dissatisfied with Prot religion the longer I was in it, and by the time I was given a job as a pastor on staff at a 'baptist' c-urch, I had run the gamut of Prot denominations and even spent time studying so-called 'messianic Judaism'.

    I found Tradition through the Traditio website, and then just started Googling 'traditional Catholic' or 'Roman Catholic' and kept reading whatever I could find.

    Over many long years now, I have wrestled with the validity of the Novus Ordo and what its existence MEANT as far as the claim of the Roman Catholic Church that She is the ONE TRUE CHURCH, but, Deo gratias, I have settled these matters in my heart and mind and am firmly on the way to being catechized, baptized and received into full communion with Her as soon as possible.

    Please pray for me; not only is there NOT A SINGLE traditional priest, church or chapel where I live (New Jersey; everything 'trad' is either FSSP or diocesan Motu), but the nearest chapels or churches are hours and hours from me.

    I am thankful every day that I have come to be humbled at the foot of Christ's Cross and have had the Way home pointed out to me by the faithful, the saints of the ages and the Magisterium. May God have mercy on me as I endeavor to obey His every command through His Church.

    Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar