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Quote from: MyrnaM

Stubborn,  you seem to ignore the fact that the elected Pope, must be Catholic with a good willed intention to do as the past True popes have always done in order to be a valid election.  Divine Law

You need to read this: The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita

 The author quotes the actual Masonic docuмent, which both Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) and Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) asked to be published. This docuмent describes the Masons' diabolical strategy to destroy the Church by infecting her leaders with Liberal ideas. Tells how they do not desire a masonic Pope, but rather a Pope infected with their ideas. Touches on Liberalism, the French Revolution, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Ecuмenism, Modernism, the modernist conspiracy at Vatican II, and much more! An eye-opening book that every Catholic must read!

As I said, even if he is not pope, there is nothing anyone can do about it, if there was some thing someone could do about it, it would have been done 50 years ago. And because the dogma states we cannot get to heaven unless we are subject to him, I am not willing to risk my eternity on my opinion when everything we see with our own eyes testifies that he is pope - albeit a terribly rotten and heretical pope.

Quote from: Stubborn

My view is that there is no way to prove the conciliar popes are not popes and proof is needed, that short of Divine Providence, there is nothing to stop a pope from doing what the conciliar popes have done. Nothing.  

Most sedevacantists proclaim that "the pope is not the pope", as though it were an indisputable fact rising from divine revelation - when the real fact is the pope was elected in the same manner as the previous +200 popes, so the presumption must side with the same validity as all the previous elections. Which means that the pope is the pope until another pope at some time in the future makes the declaration that the conciliar popes have not been popes. No one else has the authority to do anything about it - this is demonstrated by the last 58 years where not one single thing has been done about these heretical popes by anybody.

This teaching from Paul IV says that heresy automatically makes them not the pope.
cuм ex Apostolatus Officio...........

No Cardinal can in any way be excluded from the active and passive election of the Supreme Pontiff on the pretext or by reason of any excommunication, suspension, interdict, or other ecclesiastical impediment whatsoever; We, in fact, suspend these censures only for the effect of an election of this sort; they will remain in their own force in other circuмstances....

....After this agreement has been furnished within a time limit to be determined by the prudent judgment of the Cardinals by a majority of votes (to the extent it is necessary), the man elected is instantly the true Pope, and he acquires and can exercise full and absolute jurisdiction over the whole world. Hence, if anyone dares to challenge the docuмents prepared in regard to any business whatsoever that comes from the Roman Pontiff before the coronation, We bind him with the censure of excommunication to be incurred ipso facto.