Author Topic: How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"? (Read 10000 times)

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2016, 07:16:50 PM »

I would think that there is a difference between "erring" and becoming an "enemy of the Faith".

But I forget, there is a lot of doublethink on the forum.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2016, 07:32:29 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

The title of this thread asks;
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How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?

Please post any teaching from any magisterial docuмent or any saint or father that teaches it is an impossibility that God would ever allow a pope to be an enemy of the Catholic faith.

All I ask is that you do not post any teaching from any of the 20th century theologians.

Sounds like you already know the answer but it bothers your conscience to hear it again.

I must have missed Matthews announcement when he appointed you moderator ... :confused1:

Congratulations on your promotion. :wink:

snowball · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2016, 09:37:00 PM »

This man is dangerous to our souls.
Even reading what he says, we must pray for
protection before we can even contemplate
on it enough to dislodge it from our consciences.
Here, he says we should not confess and seek
righteousness. His words are demonic and
they hurt me:

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-the-christian-life-proclaims-the-road-to-reco

Stubborn · « **Reply #8 on:** June 28, 2016, 06:49:22 AM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Quote from: Stubborn
The title of this thread asks;
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How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?

Please post any teaching from any magisterial docuмent or any saint or father that teaches it is an impossibility that God would ever allow a pope to be an enemy of the Catholic faith.

All I ask is that you do not post any teaching from any of the 20th century theologians.

Sounds like you already know the answer but it bothers your conscience to hear it again.

I must have missed Matthews announcement when he appointed you moderator ... :confused1:

Congratulations on your promotion. :wink:

Typical non-answer / ridiculous remark. And yes, I asked not to use any 20th century theologians teachings because everything points to their false teachings as being responsible for the belief among the masses that even in his fallible teachings, no matter what a pope teaches he cannot harm the faithful. If you only believe your own eyes, you cannot accept this as true.

How else did this false teaching permeate all the theology manuals and seminaries etc.?

Stubborn · « **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2016, 05:49:54 AM »

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Quote from: Stubborn
The title of this thread asks;
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How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?

Please post any teaching from any magisterial docuмent or any saint or father that teaches it is an impossibility that God would ever allow a pope to be an enemy of the Catholic faith.

All I ask is that you do not post any teaching from any of the 20th century theologians.

Not sure what your views are or what you are getting at but I think a true pope can not be an enemy of the Faith because to be that, he would have to teach heresy officially which would automatically exclude him from the faith and he would no longer be Pope. In his private capacity or his sins of the flesh, those do not attack the Faith.

My view is that there is no way to prove the conciliar popes are not popes and proof is needed, that short of Divine Providence, there is nothing to stop a pope from doing what the conciliar popes have done. Nothing.

Most sedevacantists proclaim that "the pope is not the pope", as though it were an indisputable fact rising from divine revelation - when the real fact is the pope was elected in the same manner as the previous +200 popes, so the presumption must side with the same validity as all the previous elections. Which means that the pope is the pope until another pope at some time in the future makes the declaration that the conciliar popes have not been popes. No one else has the authority to do anything about it - this is demonstrated by the last 58 years where not one single thing has been done about these heretical popes by anybody.