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How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2016, 09:01:04 AM »
Stubborn,  you seem to ignore the fact that the elected Pope, must be Catholic with a good willed intention to do as the past True popes have always done in order to be a valid election.  Divine Law

You need to read this: The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita

 The author quotes the actual Masonic docuмent, which both Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) and Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) asked to be published. This docuмent describes the Masons' diabolical strategy to destroy the Church by infecting her leaders with Liberal ideas. Tells how they do not desire a masonic Pope, but rather a Pope infected with their ideas. Touches on Liberalism, the French Revolution, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Ecuмenism, Modernism, the modernist conspiracy at Vatican II, and much more! An eye-opening book that every Catholic must read!

Offline Pax Vobis

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How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2016, 09:52:27 AM »
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(to be) the elected Pope, (he) must be Catholic with a good willed intention to do as the past True popes have always done in order to be a valid election.


Playing devil's advocate, but what does "have always done" mean?  There's multiple duties of the papacy.  And one can fulfil the job of pope without ever issuing an infallible statement (as this isn't required or necessary).  A pope could be a valid pope and not concern himself with church teachings much, if at all.  There's plenty of examples of 'worldly' popes in the 14-17th centuries.  

He could fulfilll the role (if he were lazy) by just worrying about the temporal aspects of the Church, like building new churches/schools.

Or, he could concern himself with fine tuning church disciplines/laws or improving catholic education, or promoting the greatness of Gregorian chant.

Or, he could do none of that.  He would still be pope.

Point is, there's no requirement for any pope to proclaim or teach anything that is catholic.  He can simply point to past statements made by popes or theologians or church docuмents.  The only requirement to be pope is to fulfill the duties of the office, which are mainly temporal duties.  Certainly, the pope has spiritual duties, but we all do.  But spiritual duties are of the personal, free-will, realm.  He can reject graces just like we all can.  It doesn't disqualify him from being pope.  


How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2016, 10:18:38 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis
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(to be) the elected Pope, (he) must be Catholic with a good willed intention to do as the past True popes have always done in order to be a valid election.


Playing devil's advocate, but what does "have always done" mean?  There's multiple duties of the papacy.  And one can fulfil the job of pope without ever issuing an infallible statement (as this isn't required or necessary).  A pope could be a valid pope and not concern himself with church teachings much, if at all.  There's plenty of examples of 'worldly' popes in the 14-17th centuries.  

He could fulfilll the role (if he were lazy) by just worrying about the temporal aspects of the Church, like building new churches/schools.

Or, he could concern himself with fine tuning church disciplines/laws or improving catholic education, or promoting the greatness of Gregorian chant.

Or, he could do none of that.  He would still be pope.

Point is, there's no requirement for any pope to proclaim or teach anything that is catholic.  He can simply point to past statements made by popes or theologians or church docuмents.  The only requirement to be pope is to fulfill the duties of the office, which are mainly temporal duties.  Certainly, the pope has spiritual duties, but we all do.  But spiritual duties are of the personal, free-will, realm.  He can reject graces just like we all can.  It doesn't disqualify him from being pope.  


There use to be the Coronation Oath after the Pope is elected. Last one to
take this Oath was Montini/Paul VI in 1963.
Here is a link to the Coronation Oath:

http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Papal_Coronation_Oath.html


Papal Coronation Oath

    "I vow to change nothing of the received Tradition, and nothing thereof I have found before me guarded by my God-pleasing predecessors, to encroach upon, to alter, or to permit any innovation therein;

    To the contrary: with glowing affection as her truly faithful student and successor, to safeguard reverently the passed-on good, with my whole strength and utmost effort;

    To cleanse all that is in contradiction to the canonical order, should such appear; to guard the Holy Canons and Decrees of our Popes as if they were the divine ordinance of Heaven, because I am conscious of Thee, whose place I take through the Grace of God, whose Vicarship I possess with Thy support, being subject to severest accounting before Thy Divine Tribunal over all that I shall confess;

    I swear to God Almighty and the Savior Jesus Christ that I will keep whatever has been revealed through Christ and His Successors and whatever the first councils and my predecessors have defined and declared.

    I will keep without sacrifice to itself the discipline and the rite of the Church. I will put outside the Church whoever dares to go against this oath, may it be somebody else or I.

    If I should undertake to act in anything of contrary sense, or should permit that it will be executed, Thou willst not be merciful to me on the dreadful Day of Divine Justice.

    Accordingly, without exclusion, We subject to severest excommunication anyone -- be it Ourselves or be it another -- who would dare to undertake anything new in contradiction to this constituted evangelic Tradition and the purity of the orthodox Faith and the Christian religion, or would seek to change anything by his opposing efforts, or would agree with those who undertake such a blasphemous venture."

Offline Stubborn

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How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2016, 10:34:51 AM »
Quote from: MyrnaM
Stubborn,  you seem to ignore the fact that the elected Pope, must be Catholic with a good willed intention to do as the past True popes have always done in order to be a valid election.  Divine Law

You need to read this: The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita

 The author quotes the actual Masonic docuмent, which both Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) and Pope Leo XIII (1878-1903) asked to be published. This docuмent describes the Masons' diabolical strategy to destroy the Church by infecting her leaders with Liberal ideas. Tells how they do not desire a masonic Pope, but rather a Pope infected with their ideas. Touches on Liberalism, the French Revolution, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Ecuмenism, Modernism, the modernist conspiracy at Vatican II, and much more! An eye-opening book that every Catholic must read!


As I said, even if he is not pope, there is nothing anyone can do about it, if there was some thing someone could do about it, it would have been done 50 years ago. And because the dogma states we cannot get to heaven unless we are subject to him, I am not willing to risk my eternity on my opinion when everything we see with our own eyes testifies that he is pope - albeit a terribly rotten and heretical pope.


How can a true pope be an "enemy of the faith"?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2016, 10:39:42 AM »
They try to claim that oath is not real (you can go to the "wikipedia"
page and see)

They say no evidence exists in the ceremonies of filmed cornonations
that this oath took place.

We have history books written by strong churchmen, but I doubt
that the conciliar church can be trusted with the treasure trove
of historical docuмents that fell on their laps.
We may never know how many docuмents they may have
destroyed.  How would we ever prove it ?