Author Topic: Hope for Universal Salvation is Catholic? (Read 5145 times)

CM · « **Reply #15 on:** July 14, 2009, 12:17:51 AM »

Fatima was a false apparition meant to keep people in communion with the schismatic church under antipope Benedict XV and his 'successors'.

My guess is people are supposed to say that little prayer and start believing that universal salvation is possible.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #16 on:** July 14, 2009, 02:17:07 AM »

When we ask God to heal every ill, we know that it will not happen. Such is a case when we ask God that everybody may be saved.

Do you agree?

CM · « **Reply #17 on:** July 14, 2009, 03:58:37 AM »

Do we ask God for things that we know are heretical or say heretical prayers?

Should we ask God to go against His justice? Yes He is omnipotent, so He could by that fact take all the souls of all people into heaven right now if He so desired.

But then He would not be God would He? God is perfect, but in the above scenario, His perfect justice would have been compromised.

A just God punishes evil. An eternal God acts eternally, so a just and eternal God punishes evil eternally. And we know this, as much as we know that the world is filled with evil. It is far better for Catholics to pray, through the Blessed Virgin Mary, that God's will be done in all things.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #18 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:05:38 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

An eternal God acts eternally, so a just and eternal God punishes evil eternally

Has he created time from all eternity? Your ideas are getting jumbled, although I know what you are saying.

We know nothing about death and judgment, except that they will happen to each and all. As the tree falls, so shall it remain.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #19 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:06:58 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Fatima was a false apparition

Do you and the two other people in the world who think such nonsense get together every year to discuss how stupid the rest of us are? :cheers:

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #20 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:24:08 AM »

You may think it protestant, but I really believe that we must return to the root and essence of our religion, instead of thinking about modern heresies.

CM · « **Reply #21 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:54:24 AM »

Spouse, if we turn our back on heresy, it will overtake us. Always be vigilant against heresy, because it will put you in hell for all eternity. You cannot "return to the root and essence" of Catholicism while you're a heretic. You also cannot be saved while you're a heretic. And just what do you mean by the "root and essence" anyway, if not Jesus Christ?

GV, just refute the arguments if it's nonsense, otherwise you've said nothing useful, but I think you realize that.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #22 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:11:29 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

GV, just refute the arguments if it's nonsense, otherwise you've said nothing useful, but I think you realize that.

The problem is that you fail to realize you are running off at the mouth about something where your insane opinion is contrary to ALL THE EVIDENCE, which is this case is OVERWHELMING. You have MADE NO ARGUMENT to refute or even discuss, but simply offered us your nonsense ideas about a clearly-legitimate apparition of the Mother of God.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #23 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:15:27 AM »

Although my main point holds - i.e., that your ideas are INSANE - I apologize, as I just noticed you provided a link within your text (I am not so very computer savvy). I will, when I have the time, read your comments, responding to them. Cheerio

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #24 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:20:19 AM »

Your "argument" about Jacinta, reparation, the age of reason, etc., is not really worth "refuting", but I will say this:

SAINT Pius X encouraged children as young as FOUR to make their first Holy Communion, seeing that some were clearly using their reason.

Go to a park, talk with some children, and see if there are not PLENTY who use their reason BEFORE seven.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:22:33 AM »

I dare say Jacinta, at SIX (and before?), made more use of her reason than you did in crafting that piece.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:38:12 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Spouse, if we turn our back on heresy, it will overtake us. Always be vigilant against heresy, because it will put you in hell for all eternity. You cannot "return to the root and essence" of Catholicism while you're a heretic. You also cannot be saved while you're a heretic. And just what do you mean by the "root and essence" anyway, if not Jesus Christ?

GV, just refute the arguments if it's nonsense, otherwise you've said nothing useful, but I think you realize that.

I meant we should speak/think about Jesus and catholic sanctity instead of fighting over this or that bishop, SSPX, SSPV, MHFM, FSSP and others.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:43:44 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Your "argument" about Jacinta, reparation, the age of reason, etc., is not really worth "refuting", but I will say this:

SAINT Pius X encouraged children as young as FOUR to make their first Holy Communion, seeing that some were clearly using their reason.

Go to a park, talk with some children, and see if there are not PLENTY who use their reason BEFORE seven.

I am not well informed in these matters. but Some saints fasted as sucklings and some of them showed signs of sanctity as toddlers.

clare · « **Reply #28 on:** July 14, 2009, 06:30:34 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

The prayer is asking God to lead all living souls to Heaven.

It's still unlikely though.

clare · « **Reply #29 on:** July 14, 2009, 06:34:51 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

It is far better for Catholics to pray, through the Blessed Virgin Mary, that God's will be done in all things.

And part of God's will is that we ask Him for things.

Noone would be miraculously cured of anything if we only ever prayed "Thy will be done". I think God likes us to be a bit more specific than that sometimes!