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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: stevusmagnus on July 08, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
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Universal salvation is a heresy.
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His father is John Dulles. As in Dulles airport. Of course he is a modernist.
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It is certain that few are saved. This is knowledge passed on to us by Our Lord Himself, by Almighty God. Further more, numerous councils have re-affirmed this fact along with many saints. It is not our place to question this matter or muse on it.
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It is certain that few are saved.
"...for you and for MANY unto the remission of sins..."
The various heretical -isms involve small differences, often in phraseology. We should all be aware of this and careful how we hold to this or that which has not been defined. God speed.
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Please explain.
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And Dulles was considered "conservative"!!
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O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy.
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O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy.
.... save us from the fires of Hell...
(Don't know why I forgot that bit!)
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What is funny is, I can see Neo-Trads defending this proposition.
So they go to a Mass predicated, in part, on the Traditional teaching of Hell and the hard road to avoid going there, yet they allow for the possibility that nobody is there?
Again, walking contradictions.
In contrast I once encountered a Feeneyite who attended liberal NO Masses!
I wonder if the ability to reason is becoming a scarce resource?
Apparently these people look to attend a Mass which stands for beliefs directly opposed to their own. I guess you could put Trads who attend regular NO Masses in this category as well.
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Apparently these people look to attend a Mass which stands for beliefs directly opposed to their own. I guess you could put Trads who attend regular NO Masses in this category as well.
The typical Catholic has been give a lot of practice in accepting the unacceptable over the past 50 years.
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What is funny is, I can see Neo-Trads defending this proposition.
So they go to a Mass predicated, in part, on the Traditional teaching of Hell and the hard road to avoid going there, yet they allow for the possibility that nobody is there?
Again, walking contradictions.
In contrast I once encountered a Feeneyite who attended liberal NO Masses!
I wonder if the ability to reason is becoming a scarce resource?
Apparently these people look to attend a Mass which stands for beliefs directly opposed to their own. I guess you could put Trads who attend regular NO Masses in this category as well.
When a man lives a long time in error, he will end in reasoning errornomously. Then if he wants to act catholic, he must act against his (poisened) reason. It is what I am doing now.
9I hope it is not a heresy to say so!)
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I'm no conservative, nor a defender of Von Balthasar or Cardinal Dulles, however, I am inclined to agree with this:
The fact that something is highly improbable need not prevent us from hoping and praying that it will happen.
And that is why I posted the Fatima prayer that we trads tend to say at the end of each decade of the rosary:
Lead all souls to Heaven.
Is it heresy to pray for that? Or am I misunderstanding it?
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The prayer is asking God to lead all living souls to Heaven.
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Fatima was a false apparition (http://willingcatholicmartyr.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-all-catholics-must-reject-fatima.html) meant to keep people in communion with the schismatic church under antipope Benedict XV (http://willingcatholicmartyr.blogspot.com/2009/05/benedict-xv-was-antipope.html) and his 'successors'.
My guess is people are supposed to say that little prayer and start believing that universal salvation is possible.
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When we ask God to heal every ill, we know that it will not happen. Such is a case when we ask God that everybody may be saved.
Do you agree?
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Do we ask God for things that we know are heretical or say heretical prayers?
Should we ask God to go against His justice? Yes He is omnipotent, so He could by that fact take all the souls of all people into heaven right now if He so desired.
But then He would not be God would He? God is perfect, but in the above scenario, His perfect justice would have been compromised.
A just God punishes evil. An eternal God acts eternally, so a just and eternal God punishes evil eternally. And we know this, as much as we know that the world is filled with evil. It is far better for Catholics to pray, through the Blessed Virgin Mary, that God's will be done in all things.
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An eternal God acts eternally, so a just and eternal God punishes evil eternally
Has he created time from all eternity? Your ideas are getting jumbled, although I know what you are saying.
We know nothing about death and judgment, except that they will happen to each and all. As the tree falls, so shall it remain.
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Fatima was a false apparition
Do you and the two other people in the world who think such nonsense get together every year to discuss how stupid the rest of us are? :cheers:
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You may think it protestant, but I really believe that we must return to the root and essence of our religion, instead of thinking about modern heresies.
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Spouse, if we turn our back on heresy, it will overtake us. Always be vigilant against heresy, because it will put you in hell for all eternity. You cannot "return to the root and essence" of Catholicism while you're a heretic. You also cannot be saved while you're a heretic. And just what do you mean by the "root and essence" anyway, if not Jesus Christ?
GV, just refute the arguments if it's nonsense, otherwise you've said nothing useful, but I think you realize that.
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GV, just refute the arguments if it's nonsense, otherwise you've said nothing useful, but I think you realize that.
The problem is that you fail to realize you are running off at the mouth about something where your insane opinion is contrary to ALL THE EVIDENCE, which is this case is OVERWHELMING. You have MADE NO ARGUMENT to refute or even discuss, but simply offered us your nonsense ideas about a clearly-legitimate apparition of the Mother of God.
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Although my main point holds - i.e., that your ideas are INSANE - I apologize, as I just noticed you provided a link within your text (I am not so very computer savvy). I will, when I have the time, read your comments, responding to them. Cheerio
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Your "argument" about Jacinta, reparation, the age of reason, etc., is not really worth "refuting", but I will say this:
SAINT Pius X encouraged children as young as FOUR to make their first Holy Communion, seeing that some were clearly using their reason.
Go to a park, talk with some children, and see if there are not PLENTY who use their reason BEFORE seven.
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I dare say Jacinta, at SIX (and before?), made more use of her reason than you did in crafting that piece.
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Spouse, if we turn our back on heresy, it will overtake us. Always be vigilant against heresy, because it will put you in hell for all eternity. You cannot "return to the root and essence" of Catholicism while you're a heretic. You also cannot be saved while you're a heretic. And just what do you mean by the "root and essence" anyway, if not Jesus Christ?
GV, just refute the arguments if it's nonsense, otherwise you've said nothing useful, but I think you realize that.
I meant we should speak/think about Jesus and catholic sanctity instead of fighting over this or that bishop, SSPX, SSPV, MHFM, FSSP and others.
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Your "argument" about Jacinta, reparation, the age of reason, etc., is not really worth "refuting", but I will say this:
SAINT Pius X encouraged children as young as FOUR to make their first Holy Communion, seeing that some were clearly using their reason.
Go to a park, talk with some children, and see if there are not PLENTY who use their reason BEFORE seven.
I am not well informed in these matters. but Some saints fasted as sucklings and some of them showed signs of sanctity as toddlers.
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The prayer is asking God to lead all living souls to Heaven.
It's still unlikely though.
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It is far better for Catholics to pray, through the Blessed Virgin Mary, that God's will be done in all things.
And part of God's will is that we ask Him for things.
Noone would be miraculously cured of anything if we only ever prayed "Thy will be done". I think God likes us to be a bit more specific than that sometimes!
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CM has in the past called Fatima a demonic( or some such word) apparition and now we are informed that it was a false apparition which apparently means no appariton at all. Forgive me for being confused.
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I'm no conservative, nor a defender of Von Balthasar or Cardinal Dulles, however, I am inclined to agree with this:
The fact that something is highly improbable need not prevent us from hoping and praying that it will happen.
And that is why I posted the Fatima prayer that we trads tend to say at the end of each decade of the rosary:
Lead all souls to Heaven.
Is it heresy to pray for that? Or am I misunderstanding it?
Some sources have used the verb draw instead of lead. I could see how someone might have a problem with the term lead since it might suggest a lack of co-operation. That said, I do believe that it certain eras of history(Middle ages) in certain in locations(Western Europe), that the majority of men/women might have been saved. Outside of that, as well as today, I think its quite obvious as to where the (overwhelming) majority go.
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CM has in the past called Fatima a demonic( or some such word) apparition and now we are informed that it was a false apparition which apparently means no appariton at all. Forgive me for being confused.
False apparition, demonic apparition, same thing. If it is not of God, it is false.
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There is nothing wrong with the "Fatima Prayer".
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I concede that the words of the prayer are not heretical, so long as one understands that it excludes the souls in hell. My contention is that Benedict XV, and by extension Fatima, are not Catholic.