Author Topic: Hope for Universal Salvation is Catholic? (Read 4714 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2009, 09:31:01 PM »

Universal salvation is a heresy.

Dawn · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2009, 09:44:13 PM »

His father is John Dulles. As in Dulles airport. Of course he is a modernist.

Vladimir · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2009, 09:47:15 PM »

It is certain that few are saved. This is knowledge passed on to us by Our Lord Himself, by Almighty God. Further more, numerous councils have re-affirmed this fact along with many saints. It is not our place to question this matter or muse on it.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:49:17 AM »

Quote from: Vladimir

It is certain that few are saved.

"...for you and for MANY unto the remission of sins..."

The various heretical -isms involve small differences, often in phraseology. We should all be aware of this and careful how we hold to this or that which has not been defined. God speed.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2009, 08:54:04 AM »

Please explain.

Caraffa · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2009, 05:40:08 PM »

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2009, 12:19:49 PM »

And Dulles was considered "conservative"!!

clare · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2009, 12:48:18 PM »

O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy.

clare · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2009, 12:49:20 PM »

Quote from: clare

O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy.

.... save us from the fires of Hell...

(Don't know why I forgot that bit!)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2009, 12:50:01 AM »

What is funny is, I can see Neo-Trads defending this proposition.

So they go to a Mass predicated, in part, on the Traditional teaching of Hell and the hard road to avoid going there, yet they allow for the possibility that nobody is there?

Again, walking contradictions.

In contrast I once encountered a Feeneyite who attended liberal NO Masses!

I wonder if the ability to reason is becoming a scarce resource?

Apparently these people look to attend a Mass which stands for beliefs directly opposed to their own. I guess you could put Trads who attend regular NO Masses in this category as well.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2009, 08:15:13 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Apparently these people look to attend a Mass which stands for beliefs directly opposed to their own. I guess you could put Trads who attend regular NO Masses in this category as well.

The typical Catholic has been give a lot of practice in accepting the unacceptable over the past 50 years.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2009, 11:04:10 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

What is funny is, I can see Neo-Trads defending this proposition.

So they go to a Mass predicated, in part, on the Traditional teaching of Hell and the hard road to avoid going there, yet they allow for the possibility that nobody is there?

Again, walking contradictions.

In contrast I once encountered a Feeneyite who attended liberal NO Masses!

I wonder if the ability to reason is becoming a scarce resource?

Apparently these people look to attend a Mass which stands for beliefs directly opposed to their own. I guess you could put Trads who attend regular NO Masses in this category as well.

When a man lives a long time in error, he will end in reasoning errornomously. Then if he wants to act catholic, he must act against his (poisened) reason. It is what I am doing now.
9I hope it is not a heresy to say so!)

clare · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2009, 04:02:40 PM »

I'm no conservative, nor a defender of Von Balthasar or Cardinal Dulles, however, I am inclined to agree with this:

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The fact that something is highly improbable need not prevent us from hoping and praying that it will happen.

And that is why I posted the Fatima prayer that we trads tend to say at the end of each decade of the rosary:

Lead all souls to Heaven.

Is it heresy to pray for that? Or am I misunderstanding it?

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2009, 05:57:03 PM »

The prayer is asking God to lead all living souls to Heaven.