Author Topic: Hope for Universal Salvation is Catholic? (Read 5148 times)

roscoe · « **Reply #30 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:30:55 PM »

CM has in the past called Fatima a demonic( or some such word) apparition and now we are informed that it was a false apparition which apparently means no appariton at all. Forgive me for being confused.

Caraffa · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2009, 04:45:52 PM »

Quote from: clare

I'm no conservative, nor a defender of Von Balthasar or Cardinal Dulles, however, I am inclined to agree with this:

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The fact that something is highly improbable need not prevent us from hoping and praying that it will happen.

And that is why I posted the Fatima prayer that we trads tend to say at the end of each decade of the rosary:

Lead all souls to Heaven.

Is it heresy to pray for that? Or am I misunderstanding it?

Some sources have used the verb draw instead of lead. I could see how someone might have a problem with the term lead since it might suggest a lack of co-operation. That said, I do believe that it certain eras of history(Middle ages) in certain in locations(Western Europe), that the majority of men/women might have been saved. Outside of that, as well as today, I think its quite obvious as to where the (overwhelming) majority go.

CM · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:51:59 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

CM has in the past called Fatima a demonic( or some such word) apparition and now we are informed that it was a false apparition which apparently means no appariton at all. Forgive me for being confused.

False apparition, demonic apparition, same thing. If it is not of God, it is false.

Vladimir · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:59:36 PM »

There is nothing wrong with the "Fatima Prayer".

CM · « **Reply #34 on:** July 14, 2009, 11:32:43 PM »

I concede that the words of the prayer are not heretical, so long as one understands that it excludes the souls in hell. My contention is that Benedict XV, and by extension Fatima, are not Catholic.