Author Topic: ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the Seminaries (Read 3166 times)

2Vermont · « **on:** June 26, 2014, 07:46:04 AM »

We all know that the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the seminaries was/is a huge problem since Vatican II. Given the litigious society and the fact that people are more likely to tell on a priest these days, all sorts of lawsuits etc came out in the past couple of decades.

How do we know that the seminaries did not have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in them prior to Vatican II and we just never heard about them? Also, is it possible that some of the same disgusting things went on between parish priests and altar boys before Vatican II but we just didn't hear about them?

DonT · « **Reply #1 on:** June 26, 2014, 08:00:03 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

We all know that the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the seminaries was/is a huge problem since Vatican II. Given the litigious society and the fact that people are more likely to tell on a priest these days, all sorts of lawsuits etc came out in the past couple of decades.

How do we know that the seminaries did not have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in them prior to Vatican II and we just never heard about them? Also, is it possible that some of the same disgusting things went on between parish priests and altar boys before Vatican II but we just didn't hear about them?

Very possible indeed.
Alas, all of Christs Apostles were married.
Celibacy was imposed more than 1100 years later, in all likelihood so The Church could prevent wealth being siphoned in ones blood family.
Also the best and brightest ie The Clergy, could not and generally did not pro create. It was a win win for TPTB.
Personal note: I believe the Orthodox have it right in this regard to married priests but I know there are a great many great celibate priests as well.

To your point, yes it existed, but there were terrible tabboos related to it, and serious vigilante justice (lynchings) were it to happen, and I think that kept many in line.
Genie is now out of the bottle, Homos are everywhere.

Rose wrote a great book called GOODBYE GOOD MEN that discusses this topic, he spent alot of time interviewing those in Semiaries. The book is outstanding.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #2 on:** June 26, 2014, 08:10:44 AM »

There have always been ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the seminaries. But there has been a massive explosion in the numbers since the time of Vatican II because:

-There was a time when rigorous discipline and orthodoxy were enforced in the seminaries, which tended to discourage those who were not serious about a priestly vocation. In the 16th century ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests were executed. A pedophile priest was executed in Vatican City in the early 20th century.

-The Catholic faith was healthy and vigorous before Vatican II, and there were scores of faithful willing to devote themselves to the service of God. After Vatican II the faith collapsed and the Church stopped teaching what it had always taught. Why then would any faithful, heterosɛҳuąƖ Catholic man be willing to lead the life of sacrifice the priesthood demands? Instead men sought to join for "other" reasons. Those men were often ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who were attracted to the status of the priesthood, the ability that status would grant to promote social revolution, and other "perks".

-Candidates for the priesthood were once selected on the basis of their conservative qualities. Their discipline, their obedience to Catholic teachings, their piety etc. After Vatican II, the new, liberal direction of the Church demanded the creation of a new, more liberal priesthood who would bring the Church in line with the values of the modern world. Men who resembled the old model of the priest were excluded from the seminaries in favor of social revolutionaries.

-The general effect of the sɛҳuąƖ revolution had a profound impact upon Catholics everywhere, and that includes clergymen

We can discern when ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity became a significant problem in Church by looking at the teachings. Prior to Vatican II, the pastors of the Church were almost unanimous in their condemnation of sɛҳuąƖ immorality, and the Church was a bastion of traditional moral and social thought. Post Vatican-II, a huge number of the priests are openly pro-Homo liberals.

By the way, DonT, the Orthodox have their own massive issues with sɛҳuąƖ deviants.

Child sex abuse scandals and coverups, human trafficking involving priests and bishops, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/pedophile orgies
http://www.monomakhos.com/category/bishops/
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbian-church-accused-of-sex-abuse-cover-up
http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia-orthodox-church-bishop-orgies-rape-scandal/24965214.html

gαy lobby
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-orthodox-church-kurayev-gαy-lobby/25225311.html

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and transsɛҳuąƖ couples receiving communion
http://icliks.wordpress.com/gods-changes/traditional-vs-modernist/modernist-orthodox-lavendar-bishops/

Orthodox archbishop of Finland recognises fag unions
http://nftu.net/orthodox-archbishop-of-finland-leo-recognizes-gαy-unions/

DonT · « **Reply #3 on:** June 26, 2014, 08:33:06 AM »

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

By the way, DonT, the Orthodox have their own massive issues with sɛҳuąƖ deviants.

Child sex abuse scandals and coverups, human trafficking involving priests and bishops, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/pedophile orgies
http://www.monomakhos.com/category/bishops/
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbian-church-accused-of-sex-abuse-cover-up
http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia-orthodox-church-bishop-orgies-rape-scandal/24965214.html

gαy lobby
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-orthodox-church-kurayev-gαy-lobby/25225311.html

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and transsɛҳuąƖ couples receiving communion
http://icliks.wordpress.com/gods-changes/traditional-vs-modernist/modernist-orthodox-lavendar-bishops/

Orthodox archbishop of Finland recognises fag unions
http://nftu.net/orthodox-archbishop-of-finland-leo-recognizes-gαy-unions/

'Massive issues' is an overstatement and not factually correct.

Ive studied this issue hard, and while the Orthodox have issues certainly, given that they encompass all of Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Serbia, Greece, Romania, parts of the Middle East, there issues are nothing like ours.
Married clergy is but one reason.

Human trafficking is done by the Israeli/Russia/Baltic Mafiyas, communion and gαy unions is modernism and PR stunts and dont speak to a sex crisis in the Orthodox Churches.

2Vermont · « **Reply #4 on:** June 26, 2014, 08:38:41 AM »

Quote from: DonT

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

By the way, DonT, the Orthodox have their own massive issues with sɛҳuąƖ deviants.

Child sex abuse scandals and coverups, human trafficking involving priests and bishops, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/pedophile orgies
http://www.monomakhos.com/category/bishops/
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbian-church-accused-of-sex-abuse-cover-up
http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia-orthodox-church-bishop-orgies-rape-scandal/24965214.html

gαy lobby
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-orthodox-church-kurayev-gαy-lobby/25225311.html

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and transsɛҳuąƖ couples receiving communion
http://icliks.wordpress.com/gods-changes/traditional-vs-modernist/modernist-orthodox-lavendar-bishops/

Orthodox archbishop of Finland recognises fag unions
http://nftu.net/orthodox-archbishop-of-finland-leo-recognizes-gαy-unions/

'Massive issues' is an overstatement and not factually correct.

Ive studied this issue hard, and while the Orthodox have issues certainly, given that they encompass all of Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Serbia, Greece, Romania, parts of the Middle East, there issues are nothing like ours.
Married clergy is but one reason.

Human trafficking is done by the Israeli/Russia/Baltic Mafiyas, communion and gαy unions is modernism and PR stunts and dont speak to a sex crisis in the Orthodox Churches.

The reason they didn't have the same issues is because they didn't have a Vatican II.

2Vermont · « **Reply #5 on:** June 26, 2014, 08:51:19 AM »

Quote from: DonT

Quote from: 2Vermont
We all know that the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the seminaries was/is a huge problem since Vatican II. Given the litigious society and the fact that people are more likely to tell on a priest these days, all sorts of lawsuits etc came out in the past couple of decades.

How do we know that the seminaries did not have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in them prior to Vatican II and we just never heard about them? Also, is it possible that some of the same disgusting things went on between parish priests and altar boys before Vatican II but we just didn't hear about them?

Very possible indeed.
Alas, all of Christs Apostles were married.
Celibacy was imposed more than 1100 years later, in all likelihood so The Church could prevent wealth being siphoned in ones blood family.
Also the best and brightest ie The Clergy, could not and generally did not pro create. It was a win win for TPTB.
Personal note: I believe the Orthodox have it right in this regard to married priests but I know there are a great many great celibate priests as well.

To your point, yes it existed, but there were terrible tabboos related to it, and serious vigilante justice (lynchings) were it to happen, and I think that kept many in line.
Genie is now out of the bottle, Homos are everywhere.

Rose wrote a great book called GOODBYE GOOD MEN that discusses this topic, he spent alot of time interviewing those in Semiaries. The book is outstanding.

I am currently reading that book actually. Of course that was written in 2002 I believe. I am hearing (obviously from a NOer) that changes have been made in the screening process, etc by Benedict XVI. I guess time will tell whether that really happened/if they really enforce it.

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2014, 08:52:29 AM »

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

There have always been ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the seminaries. But there has been a massive explosion in the numbers since the time of Vatican II because:

-There was a time when rigorous discipline and orthodoxy were enforced in the seminaries, which tended to discourage those who were not serious about a priestly vocation. In the 16th century ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests were executed. A pedophile priest was executed in Vatican City in the early 20th century.

-The Catholic faith was healthy and vigorous before Vatican II, and there were scores of faithful willing to devote themselves to the service of God. After Vatican II the faith collapsed and the Church stopped teaching what it had always taught. Why then would any faithful, heterosɛҳuąƖ Catholic man be willing to lead the life of sacrifice the priesthood demands? Instead men sought to join for "other" reasons. Those men were often ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who were attracted to the status of the priesthood, the ability that status would grant to promote social revolution, and other "perks".

-Candidates for the priesthood were once selected on the basis of their conservative qualities. Their discipline, their obedience to Catholic teachings, their piety etc. After Vatican II, the new, liberal direction of the Church demanded the creation of a new, more liberal priesthood who would bring the Church in line with the values of the modern world. Men who resembled the old model of the priest were excluded from the seminaries in favor of social revolutionaries.

-The general effect of the sɛҳuąƖ revolution had a profound impact upon Catholics everywhere, and that includes clergymen

We can discern when ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity became a significant problem in Church by looking at the teachings. Prior to Vatican II, the pastors of the Church were almost unanimous in their condemnation of sɛҳuąƖ immorality, and the Church was a bastion of traditional moral and social thought. Post Vatican-II, a huge number of the priests are openly pro-Homo liberals.

Thanks for this. Sure does make sense.

DonT · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2014, 08:58:37 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: DonT
Quote from: 2Vermont
We all know that the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the seminaries was/is a huge problem since Vatican II. Given the litigious society and the fact that people are more likely to tell on a priest these days, all sorts of lawsuits etc came out in the past couple of decades.

How do we know that the seminaries did not have ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in them prior to Vatican II and we just never heard about them? Also, is it possible that some of the same disgusting things went on between parish priests and altar boys before Vatican II but we just didn't hear about them?

Very possible indeed.
Alas, all of Christs Apostles were married.
Celibacy was imposed more than 1100 years later, in all likelihood so The Church could prevent wealth being siphoned in ones blood family.
Also the best and brightest ie The Clergy, could not and generally did not pro create. It was a win win for TPTB.
Personal note: I believe the Orthodox have it right in this regard to married priests but I know there are a great many great celibate priests as well.

To your point, yes it existed, but there were terrible tabboos related to it, and serious vigilante justice (lynchings) were it to happen, and I think that kept many in line.
Genie is now out of the bottle, Homos are everywhere.

Rose wrote a great book called GOODBYE GOOD MEN that discusses this topic, he spent alot of time interviewing those in Semiaries. The book is outstanding.

I am currently reading that book actually. Of course that was written in 2002 I believe. I am hearing (obviously from a NOer) that changes have been made in the screening process, etc by Benedict XVI. I guess time will tell whether that really happened/if they really enforce it.

Great book too.

Even WITH the ringers (Queers)the J EWs and Freemasons brought into the Seminaries, the reality is the pedophilia crisis was about 1.5% incidence rate.

That is Still lower than Protestant groups, Boy Scouts, Public Teachers, Coaches and Step Fathers and certainly lower than Rabbis who lead the category, though you wont read about it in our Kosher Press.

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #8 on:** June 26, 2014, 04:34:32 PM »

Quote from: DonT

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

By the way, DonT, the Orthodox have their own massive issues with sɛҳuąƖ deviants.

Child sex abuse scandals and coverups, human trafficking involving priests and bishops, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ/pedophile orgies
http://www.monomakhos.com/category/bishops/
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbian-church-accused-of-sex-abuse-cover-up
http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia-orthodox-church-bishop-orgies-rape-scandal/24965214.html

gαy lobby
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-orthodox-church-kurayev-gαy-lobby/25225311.html

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and transsɛҳuąƖ couples receiving communion
http://icliks.wordpress.com/gods-changes/traditional-vs-modernist/modernist-orthodox-lavendar-bishops/

Orthodox archbishop of Finland recognises fag unions
http://nftu.net/orthodox-archbishop-of-finland-leo-recognizes-gαy-unions/

'Massive issues' is an overstatement and not factually correct.

Ive studied this issue hard, and while the Orthodox have issues certainly, given that they encompass all of Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Serbia, Greece, Romania, parts of the Middle East, there issues are nothing like ours.
Married clergy is but one reason.

Human trafficking is done by the Israeli/Russia/Baltic Mafiyas, communion and gαy unions is modernism and PR stunts and dont speak to a sex crisis in the Orthodox Churches.

As someone who almost "doxed" a few years ago (there but for the Grace of God) I can tell you that the crisis is at least, as bad if not worse than the conciliar sect. They've been able to keep it under the radar with the help of a disinterested anti-Catholic obsessed media. Several North American jurisdictions have raided their pension funds Hoffa-style to buy off victims. At least one head of the OCA was implicated in scandal and set off to monastic seclusion. A few heads of jurisdictions have come out in favor of "gαy" unions and have deposed auxiliaries and prelates who opposed the sodomite agenda. oh, and let's not forget the whole indissolubility of marriage thingy.

bowler · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2014, 12:30:29 PM »

What if the Anti-Christ already came as only a false spiritual leader leading all Catholics to fall away from the faith or to practice a false Catholicism that allows them to do as they like, to live in mortal sin ?

Maybe the Anti-Christ's work has already been done, since numerically speaking there are no Catholics living the faith. Maybe JPII and B16 are the anti-Christ and Beast described in scripture, and the whole world missed the boat again?

See

Nobody knows it, even traditionalist all think that a place to go to have Latin Mass will solve everything and the world is fine.

IllyricumSacrum · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2014, 02:50:50 PM »

Quote from: bowler

What if the Anti-Christ already came as only a false spiritual leader leading all Catholics to fall away from the faith or to practice a false Catholicism that allows them to do as they like, to live in mortal sin ?

Maybe the Anti-Christ's work has already been done, since numerically speaking there are no Catholics living the faith. Maybe JPII and B16 are the anti-Christ and Beast described in scripture, and the whole world missed the boat again?

See

Nobody knows it, even traditionalist all think that a place to go to have Latin Mass will solve everything and the world is fine.

I always thought that, barring any of the conciliar antipopes, the AC could have been someone with a profound influence on the global culture. An influence that continues to grow long after his passing. Someone like Aleister Crowley, founder of the ubermasonic O.T.O., comes to mind. The man's philosophy ("do what thou wilt") has had major impact on the world, especially the youth. He was much more than some doddering fool worthy of a Monty Python caricature.

bowler · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2014, 10:21:31 AM »

Quote from: IllyricuмSacrum

Quote from: bowler
What if the Anti-Christ already came as only a false spiritual leader leading all Catholics to fall away from the faith or to practice a false Catholicism that allows them to do as they like, to live in mortal sin ?

Maybe the Anti-Christ's work has already been done, since numerically speaking there are no Catholics living the faith. Maybe JPII and B16 are the anti-Christ and Beast described in scripture, and the whole world missed the boat again?

See

Nobody knows it, even traditionalist all think that a place to go to have Latin Mass will solve everything and the world is fine.

I always thought that, barring any of the conciliar antipopes, the AC could have been someone with a profound influence on the global culture. An influence that continues to grow long after his passing. Someone like Aleister Crowley, founder of the ubermasonic O.T.O., comes to mind. The man's philosophy ("do what thou wilt") has had major impact on the world, especially the youth. He was much more than some doddering fool worthy of a Monty Python caricature.

They Jєωs thought the same during Christ's time about the Messiah, that the Messiah would be "someone with a profound influence on the global culture", a king that would make them a world power and rich. They were wrong, the Messiah was all spiritual. They missed the boat.

ggreg · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2014, 11:58:49 AM »

I've met a lot of Orthodox priests but have never met an effeminate one.

Catholic priests, I would reckon at least 1/4 to 1/3 of them are effeminate at least the ones I have met.

Your mileage may vary, but that is my experience.

crossbro · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2014, 12:50:00 PM »

90% of all child molesters in prison self-identify as being ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ yet they make up less than 5% of the population.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is an objective moral disorder. If you are one than your basics instincts have failed you so you can also not be trusted to understand any level of morality clearly. This is why homos should not be allowed into the clergy. They have no moral compass.

Marlelar · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2014, 12:51:31 PM »

Quote from: DonT

Ive studied this issue hard, and while the Orthodox have issues certainly, given that they encompass all of Russia, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Serbia, Greece, Romania, parts of the Middle East, there issues are nothing like ours.
Married clergy is but one reason.

As I understand it, the biggest problem is with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs not heterosɛҳuąƖs. Therefore allowing heterosɛҳuąƖs to marry would not impact the incidents of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ abuse.

Marsha