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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2026, 01:59:49 PM »
The OBLIGATION to attend mass on sundays and holy days is both DIVINE LAW (i.e. 3rd commandment) and also a Church law.  There are very, very clear exceptions to this law (i.e. illness, no valid mass within 1 hour, other grave reason.) all spelled out in canon law, morally theology, etc.  The matter is settled and has been, for centuries.

Anyone who argues that to go to the sspx mass is morally wrong, has lost their marbles. 
Anyone who argues that to go to a sede mass is morally wrong, has lost their marbles.

These 'home aloners' are ignoring Divine Law, Church Law, Canon Law, moral theologians, etc.  I wouldn't want to be them on judgement day.

Clerics cannot dispense from divine/church law.  They do not have the power or authority.  I wouldn't want to be them on judgement day.
I am not talking about what the priests are doing.  They can't bind people to follow them. They don't have jurisdiction,  but the people can decide for themselves and plan accordingly.  A person who has decided they can't go to an SSPX, needs to find a Mass he can attend, even if that means moving.  If it is a grave inconvenience then he needs to watch a Mass online.  But the is not being a home aloner.  Home aloneism is believing that no one has been given the right to say Mass since the death of Pope Pius XII.  In other words only those ordained before 1958 offer true Masses (I think, I could be wrong.)

It is no longer a grave inconvenience to drive in a car with AC for 3 hours.  God deserves all of Sunday, so this just helps people stay focused on that.  :cowboy:


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2026, 02:10:00 PM »
I am not talking about what the priests are doing.  
You should be.  They are the main problem.

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They can't bind people to follow them. They don't have jurisdiction, 
Many act like they have authority and they prey on the confusion of the laity.  It's really time people stand up and stop this nonsense and call out these prideful clerics.

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but the people can decide for themselves and plan accordingly. 
This is just protestantism.  People can decide on insubstantial things.  On substantial things (i.e. grave moral questions), they have to follow Divine/church law.

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A person who has decided they can't go to an SSPX, needs to find a Mass he can attend, even if that means moving. 
Yes, they have this obligation.  But the "decision" that they can't go to the sspx is already flawed, protestant and an error. 

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 Home aloneism is believing that no one has been given the right to say Mass since the death of Pope Pius XII. 
No, it's more than this.  Home aloneism is believing that "Trad group a, b or c" is off-limits.  

People who believe the church ended with Pius XII are just crazy.  They'll be judged for their pride.



Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2026, 02:20:38 PM »
As I've just said, I am nowhere near any
Sedevacantist chapels and I refuse to financially support any other kind of Trad group. I am about 2 hours away from Bp. Sanborn's group (the RCI I believe it's called) but I am completely disgusted by his decision of late to become a "Super Chat Bishop" with his now partner-in-crime, layman Stephen Heiner. He preaches that we should reject most of the modern world while simultaneously using one its most abhorrent creations, the "Super Chat", to fleece Catholics out of their money. He should be answering questions asked to him by Catholics for free. He's now no different than the typical "Trad Grifters" like Matt and Marshall.

Even Fr. Jenkins of "What Catholics Believe" does not stoop so low as to charge people money to answer questions asked to him. While I completely disagree with his position on the Thuc clergy, I would still go to him for mass and the sacraments but he and the rest of the SSPV are nowhere near my residence. I cannot in good faith and conscience attend any mass by or receive any sacraments from His Excellency... "Super Chat" Sanborn or from anyone within his shady RCI organization. Therefore, I am left with no other choice but to remain a home-aloner.
That's no reason at all to stay away from his Mass. I have a friend who is a sedeprivationist and he told me that Bp. Sanborn usually answers questions that aren't paid as well. Even if it were the case, someone being personally impious has NOTHING to do with the Mass. As long as the Mass is valid *and* licit, you HAVE to go. And there's an exception if true heresy is being preached in the sermons. Or if it was a public manifest heretic doing the Mass. I'm no expert at all but that statement seems true as far as I know. The point is that you're obligated to go to that RCI Mass.

Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2026, 02:41:52 PM »
There's no obligation to avoid priests who are allegedly "compromising on doctrine".  That's between them and God, at the end of the day.  None are required to effectively punish themselves on account of the priest, or, worse, punish their families, with deprivation of Sacraments on account of a compromising priest.
There most definitely is. Read about the Juror priests in France during the revolution.

Offline Gray2023

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Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2026, 11:00:06 PM »
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You should be.  They are the main problem.

I don't know how to respond to this.  I was upset that priests were confusing the laity.  I wrote a letter.  I was told I was too emotional.



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Many act like they have authority and they prey on the confusion of the laity.  It's really time people stand up and stop this nonsense and call out these prideful clerics.

Maybe?  But how?



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This is just protestantism. People can decide on insubstantial things.  On substantial things (i.e. grave moral questions), they have to follow Divine/church law.


It would be protestantism, only if these things were decided by the Church. Unfortunately we only have guesses how to behave not a definitive ruling from the Church.

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Yes, they have this obligation.  But the "decision" that they can't go to the sspx is already flawed, protestant and an error.

I used to think that just making the Mass was the best decision.  I had young children, how would they learn? There is something fundamentally wrong with saying Pope Leo is the Pope of the Catholic Church, but not following anything he says.  If I truly believe that, then I have to go back to the Novus Ordo.  I can't in good conscience make both things equal.  I can't bind anyone else to my family's decision.  The only thing I am protesting is Pope Leo and I attend Masses the Saints would recognize, so how can that be Protestantism?



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No, it's more than this.  Home aloneism is believing that "Trad group a, b or c" is off-limits. 

People who believe the church ended with Pius XII are just crazy.  They'll be judged for their pride.
All we can do is pray, be constant where we find ourselves in the crisis, and offer up all our trials for the restoration of the Church.
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