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Offline Gray2023

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Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2026, 05:36:20 PM »
You are allowed to make the decision to not support certain groups.  You are NOT allowed to make the decision to AVOID mass, if the group has valid priests.  It’s called the 3rd commandment.  You have a duty to attend a valid mass, your own preferences be damned, if you want to save your soul. 
So if you think you are breaking the 8th commandment by attending a Mass that puts the name of Pope Leo in the Mass then are you still obligated to attend the Mass.  

I was told by a priest that if you make a vow to not eat meat on Wednesday and then purposely eat meat on Wednesday you have mortally sinned against God by breaking your vow.  If you decide that attending a Mass that lies is mortally sinful for you, then you can't attend such a Mass.  Won't God respect a firm conviction more than one that stays lukewarm or seems to be any Trad Mass will do?

Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2026, 06:25:41 PM »
Sure. There isn't any Sedevacantist chapels near me and I no longer wish to financially support any of the other groups. I would love to attend mass and receive sacraments by any CMRI or other Sede groups but none are around my residence.

Also, I'm very disappointed in Bp. Sanborn's recent behavior as he has recently become a "Super Chat Bishop" with that layman Stephen Heiner. I never thought such a good Catholic bishop like him would stoop so low as to preach about rejecting most of the modern world while simultaneously using one of its most abhorrent technological creations, the "Super Chat", as a way to subtly fleece Catholics of their money. That makes him no different than any of the other insufferable  "Trad Grifters" like Matt and Marshall.
You know you can go to mass without financially supporting them?


Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2026, 07:57:00 PM »
Also, I'm very disappointed in Bp. Sanborn's recent behavior as he has recently become a "Super Chat Bishop" with that layman Stephen Heiner. I never thought such a good Catholic bishop like him would stoop so low as to preach about rejecting most of the modern world while simultaneously using one of its most abhorrent technological creations, the "Super Chat", as a way to subtly fleece Catholics of their money. That makes him no different than any of the other insufferable  "Trad Grifters" like Matt and Marshall.
Your reason for not hearing Mass at RCI is your opinion, not doctrine.  Super Chat is an internet tool. It may be used for good or evil.  Just because you don’t like it isn’t the same as if +Bp. Sanborn were preaching heresy.  Ask yourself this, “Would I attend Mass at RCI if +Bp. Sanborn did NOT use Super Chat?”  If you’d attend, then you should get yourself to Mass. 
Personally, I think H.E.’s use of Super Chat is a bit tacky.  Those who don’t have money to donate don’t get their questions answered.  That is unjust towards those who have important questions but cannot afford it.  +Bp. Sanborn should be reminded of the widow’s mite.  I think  he (or Mr. Heiner, more likely), can easily remedy this by setting aside a certain number of questions that are not accompanied by a donation. The frequent paying donors should not be chosen for free questions. Example, there is somebody named Jimmy Something who’s apparently made of money! Answer questions of those whose name is not recognized. Viewers should be on their honor not to take advantage of it.  Only good questions, of interest to many viewers should be chosen. 

Offline St Giles

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Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2026, 09:25:45 PM »
Sure. There isn't any Sedevacantist chapels near me and I no longer wish to financially support any of the other groups. I would love to attend mass and receive sacraments by any CMRI or other Sede groups but none are around my residence.

Also, I'm very disappointed in Bp. Sanborn's recent behavior as he has recently become a "Super Chat Bishop" with that layman Stephen Heiner. I never thought such a good Catholic bishop like him would stoop so low as to preach about rejecting most of the modern world while simultaneously using one of its most abhorrent technological creations, the "Super Chat", as a way to subtly fleece Catholics of their money. That makes him no different than any of the other insufferable  "Trad Grifters" like Matt and Marshall.
Thanks for answering. I thought you might have some sort of legal argument, but this appears to be more of a matter of personal preference?

What obligations do we have to support priests and the Mass? I wonder if our obligations change if others already contribute more than enough? What they do with the money is their problem, though I think it reasonable to limit how much you give if you think funds are being spent on bad things, though any withheld amount should at least support the church in some way (charity).

How better to keep holy the sabbath than to attend a valid Mass? It is an act of perfect justice toward God that we can support and be a part of. It's too easy. God does it all for us, we just have to be there and participate in a small way. By receiving communion, we even share a part in the Mass with the priest, though an unnecessary one, because (if I remember the explanation correctly) a victim must be consumed/destroyed for there to be a sacrifice. It is a sort of heaven on earth; you get to see God, though hidden under the appearance of bread, you get to touch Him, you get to feed on Him to become more like Him.

Is anything more worth doing than working perfect justice toward God? Through Christ offering perfect adoration, perfect thanksgiving, perfect satisfaction for sin, and perfect prayer. Mass is the best part of each day.

If it's not worth convincing others, it might not be worth doing yourself. "Hey other people, don't go to the SSPX, and because there are no sede chapels nearby, you should probably just stay home and avoid Mass like I do, while maintaining a great desire to go."

Are you at least working toward moving to an acceptable Mass?

Personally, I don't have a problem with the sedes being right (if the church later declares such), I just have a problem with them jumping the gun and passing judgments that are likely beyond their authority to make. After the extraordinary (or rather quite ordinary, maybe rare is a better word) work of ABL, and practically little change since his time in the Masses offered by the priests of his Providentially started and maintained society, why avoid/reject those Masses? After all that Help by God, and they got it wrong? It is theoretically possible, but I have a hard time finding a better option despite any shortcomings of the SSPX. 

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Home - Aloneism
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2026, 11:27:56 PM »
So if you think you are breaking the 8th commandment by attending a Mass that puts the name of Pope Leo in the Mass then are you still obligated to attend the Mass. 

I was told by a priest that if you make a vow to not eat meat on Wednesday and then purposely eat meat on Wednesday you have mortally sinned against God by breaking your vow. 
You're not allowed to just make random vows; typically, in the past, vows had to be approved by a confessor/superior.  The idea of personal vows is prideful and dangerous.
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If you decide that attending a Mass that lies is mortally sinful for you, then you can't attend such a Mass.  Won't God respect a firm conviction more than one that stays lukewarm or seems to be any Trad Mass will do?
What is a "mass that lies"?

Again, our Faith is based on rules.  It's not based on "personal convictions".  We follow the Church, not our own thoughts.  If you have strong convictions and want to be a leader, then become a religious, where you'll have some authority which is controlled by the Church.  Otherwise, outside of being a priest, bishop, cardinal -- a person with true authority -- the rest of us are just laymen.  Our "convictions" don't count.  We have no authority.  We have no independence to do anything, except that which the Church allows.

The highest rule of religion is first, the 10 commandments.  The moral law.  The comes Church law, which also says we must attend mass on Sundays.

People who are 'home aloners', who live within 1 hour of a valid Traditional priest, MUST attend mass on Sundays.  It's the highest of laws.  There number of exceptions which would allow one to skip this requirement are very few. 

People who come up with "convictions" as to why they can skip a valid Trad mass are being deluded by the devil.