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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Zacharias condemned antipodes?
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2026, 05:47:35 PM »
So what the pope was really condemning was the idea that there were men who the Gospel couldn't possibly ever reach, and also that descended from someone else other than Adam.

Oh, stop this emetic Modernist crap about what you decide the Pope is REALLY condemning other than precisely what he says he's condemning.  Pope were not morons and would make the necessary distinctions.

Nevertheless, the description does sound like something entirely other than antipodal humans, but some strange notion of another sun and moon beneath the earth.  We'd probably have to dig into what theory was around which fits this description.

Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Pope Zacharias condemned antipodes?
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2026, 06:41:25 PM »

In fact, St. Augustine detailed a debate, and St. Ambrose opined on the matter also ... about how it was possible for the earth to be at the center of the universe (suspened as they considered it to be) in water, when, given its solidity, it should sink to the bottom of said water universe?  St. Ambrose held that it was either do to some rotation of the waters that kept it suspended or else that it was suspended miraculously.  St. Augustine leaned that way, but then stated it was acceptable to say that the earth was hemi-spherical, having settle at the bottom, since bottom center is still center.  Note that both took as an unassailable premise that the earth was at the very center of the entire universe.
  5 Behold the giants groan under the waters, and they that dwell with them.
 6 Hell is naked before him, and there is no covering for destruction. 7- He stretched out the north over the empty space, and hangeth the earth upon nothing [Job 26:7]

Job says the earth hangs over nothing. Should this be taken in the literally sense? 


Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Pope Zacharias condemned antipodes?
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2026, 06:46:00 PM »
Oh, stop this emetic Modernist crap about what you decide the Pope is REALLY condemning other than precisely what he says he's condemning.  Pope were not morons and would make the necessary distinctions.

Nevertheless, the description does sound like something entirely other than antipodal humans, but some strange notion of another sun and moon beneath the earth.  We'd probably have to dig into what theory was around which fits this description.
Fifth-century Christian philosopher Augustine of Hippo was skeptical of the notion. Augustine asserted that "it is too absurd to say that some men might have set sail from this side and, traversing the immense expanse of ocean, have propagated there a race of human beings descended from that one first man."[13]

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In the Early Middle Ages, Isidore of Seville's widely read encyclopedia presented the term "antipodes" or, as he said "antipodas" as referring to antichthones (people who lived on the opposite side of the Earth), as well as to a geographical place:
Apart from these three parts of the world, there exists a fourth part beyond the interior Ocean; it is in the south and is unknown to us because of the burning heat of the Sun; within its borders the fabled Antipodeans are reputed to dwell.[14]
In using the form antipodas rather than the more usual Latin antipodes Isidore simply transcribed the original Greek αντίποδας, the singular case of the name: the plural case is αντίποδες (antipodes), used in converting the name into Latin.

In 748, in reply to a letter from Boniface, Pope Zachary declared the belief "that beneath the earth there was another world and other men, another sun and moon" to be heretical. In his letter, Boniface had apparently maintained that Vergilius of Salzburg held such a belief

Bold is the context for the quote by the Pope.