Author Topic: Holy Week Law of Pope Pius XII (Read 5888 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #45 on:** December 20, 2013, 10:19:48 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

According to SJB, the chapels that he is familiar with that reject the Pius XII Holy Week are in the same condition as churches were in the early 1950s: almost empty.

Well, how well-attended are the "resistance" Masses right now?

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

I mean, might must equal right then, according to that statement. Might as well go to the Novus Ordo if you're number hunting, and that has something to do with how good something is.

A future pope will come out definitely and say one way or the other. Until then, this is something contested. Whatever the future Pope's decision is, I'll go with.

SJB · « **Reply #46 on:** December 20, 2013, 10:25:22 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: Ambrose

According to SJB, the chapels that he is familiar with that reject the Pius XII Holy Week are in the same condition as churches were in the early 1950s: almost empty.

Well, how well-attended are the "resistance" Masses right now?

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

I mean, might must equal right then, according to that statement. Might as well go to the Novus Ordo if you're number hunting, and that has something to do with how good something is.

A future pope will come out definitely and say one way or the other. Until then, this is something contested. Whatever the future Pope's decision is, I'll go with.

I am referring to the non-obligatory Holy Week liturgies and ceremonies. Sunday and Holy day Mass attendance is a different question altogether.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #47 on:** December 20, 2013, 10:33:39 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: Ambrose

According to SJB, the chapels that he is familiar with that reject the Pius XII Holy Week are in the same condition as churches were in the early 1950s: almost empty.

I would agree that the above quote doesn't contribute anything substantial to the discussion either objectively or taking into account reasons, other than the holy week differences, that attendance at one Church or another are the way they are.

Location, bad clergy, the number of true Catholics near the Church, etc.

Curiously does SJB visit all the Church's in the country that are SV traditional? There are many. He pretty much just has to compare them all (all the SV chapels apart from CMRI) with the CMRI chapels for his answer.

SJB · « **Reply #48 on:** December 20, 2013, 11:32:16 AM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Quote from: Ambrose

According to SJB, the chapels that he is familiar with that reject the Pius XII Holy Week are in the same condition as churches were in the early 1950s: almost empty.

I would agree that the above quote doesn't contribute anything substantial to the discussion either objectively or taking into account reasons, other than the holy week differences, that attendance at one Church or another are the way they are.

Location, bad clergy, the number of true Catholics near the Church, etc.

Curiously does SJB visit all the Church's in the country that are SV traditional? There are many. He pretty much just has to compare them all (all the SV chapels apart from CMRI) with the CMRI chapels for his answer.

You misunderstand my comment. The pre-1955 data is factual. I was only commenting on the attendance where these ceremonies are still offered "pre-55."

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #49 on:** December 20, 2013, 11:48:36 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Ambrose

According to SJB, the chapels that he is familiar with that reject the Pius XII Holy Week are in the same condition as churches were in the early 1950s: almost empty.

I would agree that the above quote doesn't contribute anything substantial to the discussion either objectively or taking into account reasons, other than the holy week differences, that attendance at one Church or another are the way they are.

Location, bad clergy, the number of true Catholics near the Church, etc.

Curiously does SJB visit all the Church's in the country that are SV traditional? There are many. He pretty much just has to compare them all (all the SV chapels apart from CMRI) with the CMRI chapels for his answer.

You misunderstand my comment. The pre-1955 data is factual. I was only commenting on the attendance where these ceremonies are still offered "pre-55."

I thought you were implying that attendance at a pre or post 1955 Mass was indication of which version was better.

But now that I think of it, that is usually not the type of argument you would make.