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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Pravoslavni on January 28, 2008, 04:02:23 PM
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http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2004-08-25/news/bishop-takes-queen/
Bishop Takes Queen
Raymond Burke is highly traditional. That's why he received the final vows of a transgendered nun.
By Malcolm gαy
Published: August 25, 2004
Archbishop Raymond Burke might be a favored son of the Vatican, but interviews with more than a dozen priests reveal that as father to his former flock in La Crosse, his neo-conservative eccentricities alienated a large number of the clergy and the laity alike.
"He's left a presbyterate that's demoralized and divided," says one former diocesan priest who spoke to Riverfront Times on condition he not be named in print. "For many years the priests in La Crosse were very unified. We didn't agree with one another, but anybody could sit down with anybody and carry on a civil conversation. That's history now, and I lay that at the doorstep of Ray Burke."
So strongly did some priests feel about Burke that at least two left the diocese in protest. "I can no longer minister as a priest in this diocese and retain a sense of integrity," writes Richard Dickman, former pastor of St. Mary Parish in Tomah, Wisconsin, in a letter to parishioners explaining his departure in 2001. "I find that my conscience is in conflict with the vision of ministry characterized by the bishop I have promised to obey. I am in an impossible position."
Certainly, Burke's construction of the $25 million Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe drew wide opposition, and his abrupt withdrawal from Church World Services' annual Crop Walk made him more than a few enemies. But it was his gathering of fringe religious orders to the diocese that alienated many priests.
"He brought in any number of people -- hermits we called them, or consecrated virgins and religious orders of one and two and three people," says the priest who requested anonymity. "They were just -- forgive me for saying so -- but to most of us they were wackos. They're just psychologically not well equipped, and he brought these people in because theologically they agree with him."
At times his theological allegiance with these orders placed Bishop Burke in some compromising positions. Most striking, perhaps, was the case of Sister Julie Green, a member of the Franciscan Servants of Jesus:
"Julie Green is living a lie!" writes Mary Therese Helmueller in an October 25, 2002, letter to Archbishop Gabriel Montalvo, Papal Nuncio to the United States. "[She] is a transsɛҳuąƖ, a biological male. He is really Joel Green, who had a sex operation to make him physically appear as a woman.... I fear that The Church in America will suffer another 'sex scandal' if Julie Green continues to be recognized as a Catholic Religious Sister, and if Bishop Raymond L. Burke receives his final vows, as a religious sister, on November 23rd, 2002."
Montalvo forwarded the letter to Burke, who on November 20, 2002, replied to Helmueller. "With regard to Sister Julie Green, F.S.J., the recognition of the association of the faithful which she and Sister Anne LeBlanc founded was granted only after consultation with the Holy See," he writes. "These are matters which are confidential and do not admit of any further comment.... I can assure you that Sister Julie Green in no way espouses a sex change operation as right or good. In fact, she holds it to be seriously disordered. Therefore, I caution you very much about the rash judgments which you made in your letter to the Apostolic Nuncio."
Adds Burke: "I express my surprise that, when you had questions about Sister Julie Green, you did not, in accord with the teaching of our Lord, address the matter to me directly."
Green and the Franciscan Servants weren't the only controversial religious order with which Burke allied himself. In the late 1990s, the bishop combined the parishes of St. Mary and St. James in Wausau, Wisconsin. The two parishes formed the Resurrection Parish at what was formerly St. James' Parish.
St. Mary's was sold. Burke then asked the conservative Latin-rite religious order, Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, to perform the Tridentine Mass at what was formerly St. Mary's. In February 2002, the order's superior, Monsignor Timothy Svea, pleaded guilty to exposing himself to and molesting teenage boys.
"What never really got any attention was that Bishop Burke brought them in," says a second priest who asked not to be named. "That's really a sore point for a lot of people in Wausau."
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There is no such thing as a real transgender. And those surgeries are but self deceptions. Can you attach some fake wings to your body and claim that you have changed your spiece from a human to a bird? or can you amputate two front legs of a dog and teach it to walk by two legs believing that you have made it a human?
Even with fake organs their bones, joints, hairs etc. are still those of one belonging to the orginal gender. I mean that even after a TS man grows breasts someone can tell he is a man by exmanining DNA of his bones.
Doctors can find a skleton belonging to someone living long ago and they can tell if it was a man or a woman so can they change their bones?
The whole bussiness reminds me of 4 yo girls who draw a mustache on their faces, then run to adults and trying to imitate dady's voice say:" see I am a man now!"
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This is old news here. :laugh1:
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Perhaps this is cynical of me, but what is this man going to do in a convent?
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Burke is one of those, what is Stevus' term-NeoCaths......same for Chaput....actually, ahve somewhere a email exchange between Chaput and a frined of mine-he is angery friend was critical of a Mass for a pro-abort politician...tone of friend was very calm and no angry, Chaput was basically into "how dare you judge" and this is the "hero" on the latest Envoy magazine I think it was-some dunder head left it in the back of my Church.....did not read it, not in the mood to :barf:
Trinity, by your standards, your "cynical "question is haterizing....the rest of us, we can ask this and be just in asking........
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There is no such thing as a real transgender. And those surgeries are but self deceptions. Can you attach some fake wings to your body and claim that you have changed your spiece from a human to a bird? or can you amputate two front legs of a dog and teach it to walk by two legs believing that you have made it a human?
Even with fake organs their bones, joints, hairs etc. are still those of one belonging to the orginal gender. I mean that even after a TS man grows breasts someone can tell he is a man by exmanining DNA of his bones.
Doctors can find a skleton belonging to someone living long ago and they can tell if it was a man or a woman so can they change their bones?
The whole bussiness reminds me of 4 yo girls who draw a mustache on their faces, then run to adults and trying to imitate dady's voice say:" see I am a man now!"
true, no matter what you + or - from that person, they are genetically, at their DNA core and what God made them-you are male or female....
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That's not as disturbing as this.
"St. Mary's was sold. Burke then asked the conservative Latin-rite religious order, Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, to perform the Tridentine Mass at what was formerly St. Mary's. In February 2002, the order's superior, Monsignor Timothy Svea, pleaded guilty to exposing himself to and molesting teenage boys.
I'm afraid that's about how much Vatican II traditionalism is worth. Purely cosmetic.
P.S. Bishop Takes Queen
Raymond Burke is highly traditional. That's why he received the final vows of a transgendered nun.
By Malcolm gαy
Is this from a gαy newspaper? Bishop takes queen? Malcolm gαy?
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That headline Bishop Takes Queen is irritating me. What kind of paper is this? First of all, the news, such as it is, still shouldn't be calling someone a "queen" and cracking jokes about it. Second of all, it actually makes this tragic situation seem harmless and funny. An article that involves child molestation should not have a dumb, jokey pun for a headline.
It is really disturbing to see how the news doesn't even keep up a pretense of being objective anymore. Remember when Gary Coleman died ( the actor with dwarfism ) and some rag had the headline "Gary Coleman's Life Cut Short"? This kind of thing really brings home what a vulgar, immature society we live in. Nothing is sacred, there is no respect for life or death or sin or calamity, and of course that has to do with the Apostasy.
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I feel your frustration!
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That headline Bishop Takes Queen is irritating me. What kind of paper is this? First of all, the news, such as it is, still shouldn't be calling someone a "queen" and cracking jokes about it. Second of all, it actually makes this tragic situation seem harmless and funny. An article that involves child molestation should not have a dumb, jokey pun for a headline.
It is really disturbing to see how the news doesn't even keep up a pretense of being objective anymore. Remember when Gary Coleman died ( the actor with dwarfism ) and some rag had the headline "Gary Coleman's Life Cut Short"? This kind of thing really brings home what a vulgar, immature society we live in. Nothing is sacred, there is no respect for life or death or sin or calamity, and of course that has to do with the Apostasy.
"Bishop Takes Queen" could have two meanings, too.
There's the chess meaning, and then...
Let's just say the verb "take" has a slang meaning.
Matthew
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Burke is one of those, what is Stevus' term-NeoCaths......same for Chaput....actually, ahve somewhere a email exchange between Chaput and a frined of mine-he is angery friend was critical of a Mass for a pro-abort politician...tone of friend was very calm and no angry, Chaput was basically into "how dare you judge" and this is the "hero" on the latest Envoy magazine I think it was-some dunder head left it in the back of my Church.....did not read it, not in the mood to :barf:
Trinity, by your standards, your "cynical "question is haterizing....the rest of us, we can ask this and be just in asking........
Doesn't Stevus call them K-street Catholics? I've said this before, but Archbishops Chaput and Burke are no friends of Traditional Catholicism. It seems that your friend's conversation with Archbishop Chaput suggest that the Archbishop is a post-modernist. Of-course magazines like Envoy are there to back it all up with their Novus Ordo Neo-Catholic "pop Catholicism."
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Belloc said:
"Chaput was basically into "how dare you judge" and this is the "hero" on the latest Envoy magazine I think it was-some dunder head left it in the back of my Church....."
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The dunderhead was probably hoping to "evangelize"the likes of you! :laugh2:
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well, becauseof fallen nature, we love our own wishes too much, true. but some desires should never be in one's heart whether or not original sin exists.
When somebody speaks about those who murder and eat their victims, or those who sell their children to child molesters, the first thing I wonder is not why they didn't curb those wishes but whether or not such thoughts should ever enter heart of any man in the first place. I can say :"I was tempted to cheat but didn't because I loved God." but I cannot say:" I was tempted to eat this or that person but the grace of God kept me."
Transgenders think their creation is wrong. It will be absurd to blame all of this on devil and fallen human will without asking ourselves the reason why someone should hate his gender. Because naturally, everybody loves his body and soul and the way they are made.
Some may blame it on patriarchy and "strict gender roles" saying that TS is a way of getting rid of "oppression and gender bias". Is there any explanation for TS and the fact that one can "feel his body is not his"?
Or maybe I am wrong?
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What being a man means?
In the modern world a man can:
1-have a "husband"
2-stay at home
3-give birth (not naturaly ofcourse but scientificly)
4-breastfeed! (see wikipedia)
5-be as delicate and soft as he can (well, they say there is no contradiction here, as hard/soft are just cultural stereotypes)
Still because he is made a man by God, is a man before His eyes and also geneticly so.
Now consider TS women feel they have a "man's soul" trapped in a false female body. For TS advocates, gender has a large variety and is called continum or gray scale thing, (not "Male and famale He created them.") Her idea of a man's soul is 100% subjective and can be anything. (they glory in variety and being uniqune)
So it is not improbable for such a girl to have the above image in her mind as what she calls a "manly soul"! S/he goes for a reasignment surgery, takes a husband (apparently it was a gαy man's soul trapped in a woman's body!) , and as dress is just a part of culture not nature, s/he can feel manly even in a floral night gown!
Then s/he adovactes scientific researches on "male pregnancy" and "fathers can nurse" and becomes one of understanding "house husbands". In this way, s/he can wear a cute nursing dress, sit on a sofa, and nurse a little one, while waiting for her man to return, yet lose nothing of her manliness!
Why hell then she needed a surgery? Why so many feelings of not belonging? she could do all these as a woman too!
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I thought it had been determined that this story was not based on fact.
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I thought it had been determined that this story was not based on fact.
The only thing I have actually read from "official sources" is that those writing about this "do not have all the facts" and therefore should not be "speculating". However, none of these sources I've read provide any facts on the basis of "privacy considerations."
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I don't think this is a true story. That news site seems suspicious
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Belloc said:
"Chaput was basically into "how dare you judge" and this is the "hero" on the latest Envoy magazine I think it was-some dunder head left it in the back of my Church....."
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The dunderhead was probably hoping to "evangelize"the likes of you! :laugh2:
hehehe-NOT!!!