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Offline Augstine Baker

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Holy Father to Concede SSPX Points on Council and Liturgy
« on: May 04, 2012, 10:49:25 PM »
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  • ‎(Stuttgart/Trier) The formalization of the union between the Holy See and the Society of St. Pius X, which has organized a pilgrimage to Trier and with that also wants to make a visible demonstration, comes ever closer. Meanwhile, Budestag Vice President Wolfgang Thierse, who dared to receive hand Communion from Pope Benedict XVI in Berlin, said in a KNA-interview taking the position of Cardinal Kurt Koch, that the "Vatican will not take back the Society of Saint Pius X". In the first place, this suggestion is solely an initiative of Thierses, who is repeating his own opinion Recently Father Franz Schmidberger, the Superior of the German District of the Society as also Father Niklaus Pfluger, the first assistant to the Superior General of the Society have shown themselves as positive toward the posibillity of a reconciliation with Rome.

    Father Pfluger spoke on April 29th at a meeting of Actio Spes Unica in the German town of Hattersheim about this. "Unexpectedly Father Pfluger began to discuss the happenings of the last months till today. And he otherwise made known that this event had convinced Bishop Fellay to distance himself from the previous principles that distanced the Society from Rome," as it stated in the participant's report and how it will respond in the reconciliation offer of Pope Benedict XVI.

    "There can be no practical agreement without doctrinal agreement", said Father Pflugger, expressing himself with the original negotiation maxim of the Society. It should become clear, however, "that Pope Benedict XVI. is very interested in a canonical solution for the Society, that he is ready, to conclude an agreement even if the controversial texts of the Vatican Council II and the New Mass are not recongized." Should the Society itself "however, with these new stipulations still refuse reunion, then they would face the prospect of possible excommunication", said Father Pfluger in recounting the meeting between Cardinal William Levada and the General Superior Fellay on March 16th 2012 in Rome.

    http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/05/holy-father-ready-to-concede-societys.html


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    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2012, 11:20:16 PM »
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  • Why the misleading title?
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    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 05:43:02 AM »
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  • There is no practical agreement without doctrinal agreement ....... until there IS practical agreement without doctrinal agreement. The roadblock has been removed in deference to a clever Roman operator. All the reasons and principles upon which the Society was formed, maintained and developed have been cast t aside and Lefebvre's 'experiment with tradition' is now turning into an 'experiment with pluralism'. The Society officially accepts that Rome can now become a shell housing religious expression of every hue in accordance with modern concepts because it is willing to participate in this system. A beacon of the Church has extinguised its flame and more souls are now being dashed on the rocks of unrelenting modernity.  

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    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 07:29:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    There is no practical agreement without doctrinal agreement ....... until there IS practical agreement without doctrinal agreement. The roadblock has been removed in deference to a clever Roman operator. All the reasons and principles upon which the Society was formed, maintained and developed have been cast t aside and Lefebvre's 'experiment with tradition' is now turning into an 'experiment with pluralism'. The Society officially accepts that Rome can now become a shell housing religious expression of every hue in accordance with modern concepts because it is willing to participate in this system. A beacon of the Church has extinguised its flame and more souls are now being dashed on the rocks of unrelenting modernity.  


    VERY well said! :applause:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #4 on: May 07, 2012, 05:24:12 AM »
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  • WOW!!!!!!!!!! It's EXACTLY what I thought would happen!!!!!!!!

    And it's also a supreme test from God to see if the SSPX believes that valid Popes and valid clerics could actually do this to His Holy Church that he established for the salvation of all those who "wish" to be saved. He wants to see, I believe, after giving them over 40 years to observe the situation in the "Church", if these men of the SSPX have that little faith and regard for the promise that his son Jesus Christ gave to St. Peter. If they believe that Christ's true ministers could bring the Church and civilization to this current state than I believe God will find them unworthy to continue their ministry and let the Anti-Church have them.

    They should know by now that they're in a theologically untenable position and God through his sworn enemies in the Vatican will force them to make a choice. This is truly divine providence. Will the SSPX be found worthy, declare the Vatican II Church and it's "popes" from Fat Mason Man on apostate and invalid as numerous canons and Popes declare they are or will they succuмb, lose God's protection and be swallowed in the apostacy?

    The apostates in the Vatican truly are politically brilliant. Think about it...
    They know, as anyone who knows Catholic theology knows, that the position of the SSPX is untenable. They know that the smaller group of sedes made their choice and therefore they hold no sway over them. But by meeting all the SSPX's pre-"negotiating" demands and appearing in good faith while at the same time not coming to any understanding on doctrine while probably never intending to come to an understanding in the first place... They could force the SSPX to decide where they truly stand and make a decision one way or the other in favor of the current hierarchy's legitimacy or against. Because really those are the only two options. AND IF THEY DECIDE FOR THE CURRENT HIERARCHYS LEGITIMACY THEN THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL HAS WON. HE HAS THEM.

    This was the gameplan all along. Just as I suspected it was. Well played Lucifer, well played.

    And here's the relevant passage from the article:
    "Should the Society itself "however, with these new stipulations still refuse reunion,  then they would face the prospect of possible excommunication",  said Father Pfluger in recounting the meeting between Cardinal William Levada and the General Superior Fellay on March 16th 2012 in Rome.
    "With this understanding the General Superior, Bishop Bernard Fellay, did not consider that it would be possible, to hold back from the Pope's offer. It would mean a descent into sedevacantism matter should be closed to the desire of the Holy Father even then, if this was not linked to the recognition of false beliefs," as the first assistant pointed out in Hattersheim.

    I don't really want to pat myself on the back BUT I will. I suspected this from the beginning. I'm not surprised I'm correct because I study how the secret sects operate but it is something to see it actually happening. WOW!!!! :cool:


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    « Reply #5 on: May 07, 2012, 09:46:04 AM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    There is no practical agreement without doctrinal agreement ....... until there IS practical agreement without doctrinal agreement. The roadblock has been removed in deference to a clever Roman operator. All the reasons and principles upon which the Society was formed, maintained and developed have been cast t aside and Lefebvre's 'experiment with tradition' is now turning into an 'experiment with pluralism'. The Society officially accepts that Rome can now become a shell housing religious expression of every hue in accordance with modern concepts because it is willing to participate in this system. A beacon of the Church has extinguised its flame and more souls are now being dashed on the rocks of unrelenting modernity.  


    The impossibility of ever reaching a practical agreement by coming to doctrinal agreement must surely of been realized by the sspx hierarchy from the beginning...if they realized all along that they would not likely reach doctrinal agreement with modernist Rome...then what they have been seeking in actuality was a cage in the zoo with a hat tip to ecuмenism...seems they will get it....not to mentions their visions of grandeur in becoming the nucleus of restoration of tradition in the church!  That initial visit to Rome for the Jubilee in 2000 really went to their heads!

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    « Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 11:51:07 PM »
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    ...The impossibility of ever reaching a practical agreement by coming to doctrinal agreement must surely of been realized by the sspx hierarchy from the beginning...


    Yes. That is obvious.

    The main players involved have known from the beginning that the Antipopes will not yield one inch.

    So the sspx will have to give in.

    Or tell Benedict to get lost.
    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
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