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Author Topic: Not the SSPX of 40 Years Ago: Neo-SSPX Is Directly Attacking Sedevacantism ... P  (Read 2120 times)

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Offline Seraphina

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Priest in the sspx chapel where I went to regularly scolds sedevacantists and sedevacantism as this big boogeyman error of our time. Only few sedes are still left in the chapel. There have been many cases of spiritual blackmail. If you do not do this or that (in relation to sede question), no more sacraments for you, you are forbidden to attend, etc.. And this threat was not to public sinners, novus ordo attendees or pants wearing ladies. They are all in "good standing" of course. How will such priests stand before God with clean conscience? The thought itself horrifies me.
How does this priest know “if you do not do this or that…?” So far as I’m concerned, if I’m not committing a sin, it’s none of the priest’s or anyone else’s business. If it IS a sin, he’s bound to secrecy. Holding to one or another position on the pope question is not a sin. It’s not a sin to think, “I don’t know!” 
A wise person keeps his mind engaged, his eyes and ears open, and his mouth shut!  

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 If a priest is one who uses the Sacraments as a weapon, then I leave. Saving my soul is not of primary interest to him. I’m not going to be a sacrificial pawn in his game of chess.
I agree 100%. It's such a shame that certain R&R and Sede priests have  "weaponized" the sacraments. Whether it's R&R priests refusing sacraments to sedes or Sede priests refusing sacraments to other Sedes who are either pro-Thuc bishops and/or pro-Una cuм.  I don't deal with that nonsense either.


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Only few sedes are still left in the chapel. There have been many cases of spiritual blackmail. If you do not do this or that (in relation to sede question), no more sacraments for you, you are forbidden to attend, etc...
Don't these R&R priests realize that they are behaving just as inappropriate as the Sede priests whom they are condemning?  

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I agree 100%. It's such a shame that certain R&R and Sede priests have  "weaponized" the sacraments. Whether it's R&R priests refusing sacraments to sedes or Sede priests refusing sacraments to other Sedes who are either pro-Thuc bishops and/or pro-Una cuм.  I don't deal with that nonsense either.

Well, there are places I go where I realize I'd be refused if they knew what I thought about certain issues ... so I don't tell them.  They don't have a right to know and to withhold Sacraments from the faithful.  No, we're not heretics for believing that there's no salvation outside the Church, or for thinking that someone else is not a heretic if they put a putative Conciliar pope's name in the Canon, or if I don't think the CMRI are schismatic Old Catholics just because their founder originally received consecration from an Old ROMAN Catholic (evidently these guys don't even know what that is) ... since Canon Law declares such to be suspended (not to have contracted heresy as if it were a contagion of some kind), and they did ask DQ Brown to repudiate any schism/heresy beforehand, and he did so.  Even if you think their (Thuc-line) Sacraments are doubtful, you may not refuse me the Sacraments because I disagree.  Who do you think you are?  Nobody gave you the authority to impose your opinions on consciences, i.e who died and made you popes?  You have zero authority, not even that of a pre-V2 pastor of a parish, and Holy Orders was not given to you because you're so worthy of it (as no one is) and so that you can use it to lord it over the lay faithful, and have them bowing their heads to you, calling you Father (they're reverencing Our Lord, BTW, not you), and many of you would have to work your way up to shift manager at a McDonald's were you laicized right now.

Harsh words, but I'm fed up with the mini-popes using the Sacraments as weapons, when the faithful requesting the Sacraments from the provides the only justification for their operating as priests and for having received Holy Orders.

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The SSPX has never put forward sedevacantism as its official policy.

That said, the SSPX long-tolerated sedevacantism as a private opinion. Even its criticism of the so-called "Nine" or then-Fr. Guerard des Lauriers was not an attack on sedevacantism in se, rather it was a criticism that their presentations of the sedevacantist and sedeprivationist theories was imprudent and premature. Even Msgr. Lefebvre never excluded the possibility of a long vacancy, he merely believed that in his time such a judgment would be too soon. Further, not all the Nine were sedevacantist in the 1980s although most had embraced that position by 2000.

Now however, like so many Trad Inc. R&R types, the SSPX is openly attacking sedevacantism:

https://youtu.be/tktlEwHFQAk?feature=shared

WHY???

Who is this priest?  I just randomly skipped ahead, and just happened to land where he says, "If all these popes have been invalid, that means all the Sacraments are invalid."

:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

There's one younger priest (and don't get me wrong, I like him) ... who uttered close to double-digit Christological heresies during his Christmas (midnight Mass) sermon.

What has become of the seminary training?