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Offline songbird

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Re: VII Was The Great Apostasy Change My Mind
« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2023, 03:19:28 PM »
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  • I agree with Miser Peccator.  those who signed Vat II, they knew what they were signing.  And one can retract.  The magisterium knew, they are in knowledge of scripture, prophecy.

    I love reading Cardinal Manning writings.  He wrote what was coming. Abomination desolation, refer to Prophet Daniel.

    I really dislike it very much, when I hear or read:  "Oh, they didn't know".  to that i say "baloney!".  I still hear and read this short ditty. Even the thoughts of some New Order clergy are ok.  What a farce!  Oh, the New Order clergy will say all kinds of words for itchy ears: "I am Pro-life"  Baloney!  They knowingly give to catholic charities that support abortion and etc and CC has been around for how long!?

    And thank you for exposing Vigano!

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    Re: VII Was The Great Apostasy Change My Mind
    « Reply #76 on: October 16, 2023, 04:33:10 PM »
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  • I kind of feel a little responsible for this thread since I'm the one that brought up the minority opinion in another thread.

    I've read a lot of material on this, sorry I won't have many sources, I'm terrible at that, I read so many things and never archive or remember where I got them or read them to reference later, that being said, if you don't want to buy what I'm selling then I understand, I will try to find some of the sources where I got all this. 

    Firstly, I'm a strong believer in the Catholic Restoration that will take place and the 6th Age of The Church, Reign of Mary and the resurgence of The Catholic Monarchy, the Greatest Ecuмenical Council and Holy Popes, etc.  I know there's links to a lot of this right here on Cathinfo so I won't source those but there's topics on it.  There's a lot of prophecy about this.  I'm aware they're not infallible, but there is a lot of supporting evidence for this as well besides this.  Miser I've seen your sources trying to refute this but I disagree with them. 

    Secondly, The Great Apostasy makes more sense in a context if basically the entire world, after converting to the True Faith, then go apostate.  Would it not be a much greater apostasy if 95% of the world is Catholic and then 90% apostasize and side with Antichrist?  In this time and past history, at the height of the Middle Ages/Christendom maybe only 30% of the world was actually Catholic and even though The Faith spread, it probably never was higher than this number, and that number is quite generous considering Protestant Revolt, spread of Islam, Paganism, Atheism, Modernism, etc. 

    By the time of Antichrist there will be 2 religions.  The True Catholic one and Luciferianism/Satanism, this is one of the reasons why there will be no excuse for those who take The Mark.  There will be no more Moslems, Protestants, etc. Basically the entire world is going to convert to The True Faith before THE Antichrist comes out into the world view.  Why the big change is not the scope of this post and can be speculated. 

    Thirdly, the Book of Apocalypse references monarchs quite often, this only makes sense (technically speaking) if there was a resurgence of a world monarchal structure.  I understand Sacred Scripture is not always super technical and is sometimes figurative.

    Fourthly, what a lot of Church Fathers explain about the end times and Apocalypse is not going on
    at this time. The two events/periods (Great Apostasy and Apocalypse) coincide in Sacred Scripture, we don't have all of that tied together yet.  Kind of a side point, but according to them, the world will end very shortly after death of Antichrist (within days I believe is what is most said), I think both of these points are unanimous although I'm not 100% certain on that point, which if this is the case, refutes any supposed Antichrists in these or recent times as a lot of other things need to happen before that (Enoch, Elias, the Trumpets, Antichrist making people take The Mark, etc.)

    I know some of the books I read were Reign of Antichrist by Rev. Culleton, Antichrist by Dupont, Book of Destiny, The Book of Apocalypse, and reading various Church Fathers on the topic and many other things.  Sorry for my terrible sourcing. 

    Personally I think the enemies of God are trying to institute all of this now (Full on Beast System, etc.) to get ready for Antichrist but I think the 3 Days of Darkness will wipe out most of the enemies before they fully implement their system to where a resurgence of The True Faith can flourish like never before.

     

    I don't have the energy to discuss your post at length, but I do have the energy to thank you for it. I have often enough thought that the Great Apostasy will be merited (deserved) by the falling away from the graces God will give the world after this centuries-long debacle. 

    Very interesting what you say about there being only two religions existing when the Final Battle commences. Makes a lot of sense to me, because I believe with all my heart that a great Council is on the horizon, which will not only destroy "cunctas haereses" (Our Lady's prerogative), but will convert the entire world. 

    Somewhere on this thread, someone said something to the effect that God wanted to give us good things, but we blew it, and so it's over. In other words, Fatima is conditional. Not so, methinks. His Word never returns to Him empty. If the original intendees blow off the proffered grace, God will bestow it upon others. If He has in His mind a providential dispensation, it will happen, only perhaps under the aspect of different accidents and at other times. He only permits temporary thwartings in order to bring about even more spectacular realties. Such ideas are not hopium, but religious truth.

    Furthermore, Our Lady did promise a victory. Do any of us know exactly what she meant? I don't think so.......  

    P.S. Someone above cited the example of Sr. Lucia prophesying that the devil is in the mood for a final battle (paraphrase). Again, what is the true interpretation? No one knows. But a possible interpretation is that Vatican II is the final battle of this Age of the Church; and also the devil's last stand to defend the gains he made during this miserable dispensation of his own increased permissions.


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    Re: VII Was The Great Apostasy Change My Mind
    « Reply #77 on: October 16, 2023, 06:30:07 PM »
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  • Miser Peccator- I agree with you. Except, for those who signed without exact knowledge of what was in the docuмents, for whatever reason, will be held accountable by God according to their level of negligence regarding this. Since we don't know that level of negligence in this regard, only God  does know this, we  have to discern those signers of Vatican Council II who continued teaching this lie from those signers who didn't teach this before or after signing the docuмents.

      Therefore,  it can be  hard to say precisely who apostatized from the faith and who signed something they should not have signed and would not have signed.

    Objectively speaking, the statement about the muslims appears to be apostasy. The other  consideration regarding the statement about muslims is that some of the signers were thinking they were acknowledging a truth about the muslim  fake religion-the truth about that fake religion claiming to worship  one God- and that is all the signers meant to do by signing.
      I'm not defending the signing of the docuмents or trying to make excuses to explain away an entire hierarchy apostatizing, I'm just thinking of what variables their are to in this situation to discern who's who.



     How many people use the "I didn't know what I was getting into" excuse to annul their marriages?