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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on October 15, 2023, 06:07:27 AM
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…and he’ll take the name Benedict XVII:
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/cardinal-mueller-expects-sspx-to-recognize-disputed-council-teachings?amp
Remember I said it.
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They’ll want to take their foot off the gas for a couple years, with another BXVI rerun to consolidate their gains before the next lurch forward with Muller’s successor.
Look for more collaboration/compromise from the SSPX, which will be easier to sell during this faux conservative period.
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…and he’ll take the name Benedict XVII:
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/cardinal-mueller-expects-sspx-to-recognize-disputed-council-teachings?amp
Remember I said it.
said that if one “wants to be fully Catholic, one must recognize the Pope and the Second Vatican Council.”
Is this satanic inversion?:jester:
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Well, perhaps the next false pope. ;)
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…and he’ll take the name Benedict XVII:
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/cardinal-mueller-expects-sspx-to-recognize-disputed-council-teachings?amp
Remember I said it.
Well, when you reduce Vatican II's errors to "religious liberty" and "ecuмenism", then it's no wonder. That's why +Fellay said 95% of V2 is Catholic.
From your article:
Cardinal Gerhard Müller has said he expects the Society of St. Pius X, which has always opposed the Second Vatican Council's declarations on religious freedom and ecuмenism, to “unreservedly recognize” freedom of religion as a human right, and an obligation to ecuмenism.
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They’ll want to take their foot off the gas for a couple years, with another BXVI rerun to consolidate their gains before the next lurch forward with Muller’s successor.
Look for more collaboration/compromise from the SSPX, which will be easier to sell during this faux conservative period.
Hard to say. It depends on how much "time" they think they have left before God restores the Church.
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And I thought that I heard that Bergoglio said that if he did not make it to Moscow that "John XXIV" would... Does he already have a plan for that? :popcorn:
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That article is from 2016, did something happen recently to bring attention back to this article or did you just discover it? As I do not remember reading this article either, so thanks for finding it.
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Would we prefer a Pope like this, or a Pope like Tagle, Hollerich, or Fernandez?
Sedevacantists, of course, might reply that it doesn't matter.
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Would we prefer a Pope like this, or a Pope like Tagle, Hollerich, or Fernandez?
Sedevacantists, of course, might reply that it doesn't matter.
Of course it matters. The worse the antipope, the better. Bergoglio was the best sede preacher of all time. Although some have their heads so deep in the sand that even if the next antipope offers human sacrifice to satan they'd still be waiting for a council to depose him.
Unfortunately, I think Muller has a great shot at being elected to consolidate the new normal and throw real Catholicism out the Overton window, replacing it with "I like tradition and don't like sodomy."
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Sedevacantists, of course, might reply that it doesn't matter.
No, it doesn't. None of the so-called "papabili" would ever restore Tradition.
Unless it's another scam to lure in SSPX, I don't see Mueller getting the nod ... since Bergoglio has stacked the College of "Cardinals" with flaming Modernist heretics.
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That article is from 2016, did something happen recently to bring attention back to this article
Yes:
Muller is getting lots of media attention from the indult crowd lately (eg., see Michael Matt’s Remnant website, and CIC conference), with his comments on the dead-end dubia, criticism of Francis, being invited to the Synod of Satan as a counterbalancing (but still conciliar) voice.
I pulled this article because it shows what he (like BXVI) really intends for Tradition.
But there won’t be two wild-eyed modernists like Francis elected back to back.
They need Muller/Ratzinger types to sell it to the skeptics.
After Pius XII, you had Roncalli.
After Paul VI, you had JPII the Great
After BXVI, you had Francis.
In other words, two steps forward, one step, eh, well, forward. But alternating between the two, both always heading in the same direction.
Muller is on deck.
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…and he’ll take the name Benedict XVII:
https://www.ncregister.com/blog/cardinal-mueller-expects-sspx-to-recognize-disputed-council-teachings?amp
Remember I said it.
And fear not, for the neo-SSPX Resistance has the "light of the +ABL truth" Pontiff in hiding.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROsIFRHeCevJOQAaRaK3qL05rqrcaL7nHb2w&usqp=CAU)
Pope Viggy
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In other words, two steps forward, one step, eh, well, forward. But alternating between the two, both always heading in the same direction.
Yes, it's their Hegelian dialectic to keep shifting perception of what is "Traditional". People would hail Mueller's "papacy" as a new Springtime of the Church after the Bergoglio disaster, but Mueller is about is orthodox as Wojtyla and Ratzinger.
This is possible, but it depends on whether they feel the destruction needs to be accelerated (if they feel that time is growing short). So, to me, it would depend on how long Bergoglio lasts. I personally believe that they have until about 2029.
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And fear not, for the neo-SSPX Resistance has the "light of the +ABL truth" Pontiff in hiding.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcROsIFRHeCevJOQAaRaK3qL05rqrcaL7nHb2w&usqp=CAU)
Pope Viggy
Oh, come on. neo-SSPX have not been supporters of +Vigano and they've slid far to the left of him. I mean, when's the last time the SSPX leadership floated the notion that Bergoglio may not be the pope?
Besides that, +Vigano is completely toxic and anathema to the Conciliar Church.
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But there won’t be two wild-eyed modernists like Francis elected back to back.
They need Muller/Ratzinger types to sell it to the skeptics.
After Pius XII, you had Roncalli.
After Paul VI, you had JPII the Great
After BXVI, you had Francis.
In other words, two steps forward, one step, eh, well, forward. But alternating between the two, both always heading in the same direction.
Muller is on deck.
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I've been saying precisely this for years since Beer-Goggles' election. They'd definitely lose too many people, too quickly, if they had a "Pope Francis the Second", and I think they're smart enough not to do that.
I'm putting down serious money the next guy will be another Ratzinger.
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I've been saying precisely this for years since Beer-Goggles' election. They'd definitely lose too many people, too quickly, if they had a "Pope Francis the Second", and I think they're smart enough not to do that.
I'm putting down serious money the next guy will be another Ratzinger.
I dont know. I used to think this, but what "too many people" would leave? It seems to me that most people who will leave have already left.
I'm actually leaning towards another Francis if not worse. Francis II.
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I dont know. I used to think this, but what "too many people" would leave? It seems to me that most people who will leave have already left.
I'm actually leaning towards another Francis if not worse. Francis II.
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What I have in mind is the conservative Novus Ordo followers. Bergoglio has been shoving them into sedevacantism or traditionalism of one kind or another for over a decade. I think they don't want to lose too many of those people, so they'll appoint a "conservative" next time who will suck those morons back in.
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The Hegelien dialectic. They use this in politics, economics and religion to guide the people in the direction they desire. I think the antichrist will come as an ultra-conservative to save us from the "deep-state/deep-church". Imo
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What I have in mind is the conservative Novus Ordo followers. Bergoglio has been shoving them into sedevacantism or traditionalism of one kind or another for over a decade. I think they don't want to lose too many of those people, so they'll appoint a "conservative" next time who will suck those morons back in.
I still think that if they haven't left already, they aren't going to do so. There isn't a huge amount of people who will leave with a Francis II. Besides, I'm sure the Novus Ordo sect is more interested in adding to its numbers with those who want what it's selling. Just think of all the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who will come on board!
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I dont know. I used to think this, but what "too many people" would leave? It seems to me that most people who will leave have already left.
I'm actually leaning towards another Francis if not worse. Francis II.
Neocon Conciliarists and neo-SSPX-style "Trads" wouldn't break with the Conciliar Church if they elected Beelzebub I.
At the same time, unless they elect another St. Pius X, they know that SVs will never be corralled back into the Conciliar Church.
I could, however, see them trying to finalize the "negotiations" (regularization) by using a Benedict XVII type ... with a very brief "reign", the intent of which would ONLY be to re-absorb the SSPX into the Conciliar "Borg" collective.
This is the only way to negotiate with the Conciliar Church:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BFVTavZ5c
To quote Gimli, "I guess that concludes negotiations."
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Neocon Conciliarists and neo-SSPX-style "Trads" wouldn't break with the Conciliar Church if they elected Beelzebub I.
At the same time, unless they elect another St. Pius X, they know that SVs will never be corralled back into the Conciliar Church.
I could, however, see them trying to finalize the "negotiations" (regularization) by using a Benedict XVII type ... with a very brief "reign", the intent of which would ONLY be to re-absorb the SSPX into the Conciliar "Borg" collective.
This is the only way to negotiate with the Conciliar Church:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8BFVTavZ5c
To quote Gimli, "I guess that concludes negotiations."
Given the SSPX are already making concessions with the NO Sect under Francis, why would there need to be a "Benedict XVII type"?
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Oh, come on. neo-SSPX have not been supporters of +Vigano and they've slid far to the left of him. I mean, when's the last time the SSPX leadership floated the notion that Bergoglio may not be the pope?
Besides that, +Vigano is completely toxic and anathema to the Conciliar Church.
I said: “neo-SSPX Resistance” because +W called Vigano the continuation of the light of +ABL.
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I said: “neo-SSPX Resistance” because +W called Vigano the continuation of the light of +ABL.
Dear Incredulous,
Do you think it possible that Bishop Williamson conditionally consecrated Fr. Vigano?