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Offline DigitalLogos

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Re: Sedevacantism question
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2022, 08:29:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Durango77 on February 13, 2022, 11:59:35 PM
    Bishop Dolan gave a talk a few years ago, used to be in True Restoration, may be that it still is.  He said he believed it was already done, which is why there hasn't been a major war since the 1940s, he basically said he believes that whatever Pius XII did was acceptable to heaven, again which is why there have been no major conflicts in 80 years.
    That's an interesting theory. I believe it was done by Pius XII as well. And while the errors have spread, due to a late consecration, I think, Our Lady never specified that it would be a Catholic peace, but a peace nonetheless. Which is apparent due to a lack of serious war in the European theater with incomparable widespread material prosperity.
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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #31 on: February 14, 2022, 02:46:01 PM »
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    • If the consecration was done, IMO, we would not be wondering, we would know. Our Lady promised, the errors would spread, if not, and they certainly will. And the mass will come to an end. chapter 12 of Daniel.  Sr. Lucia said, the Pope did not do as Our Lady asked.  Sr. Lucia said, "it was done in half-measure". a term used in the bible. Not good!
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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #32 on: February 14, 2022, 03:44:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on February 14, 2022, 02:46:01 PM
    If the consecration was done, IMO, we would not be wondering, we would know. Our Lady promised, the errors would spread, if not, and they certainly will. And the mass will come to an end. chapter 12 of Daniel.  Sr. Lucia said, the Pope did not do as Our Lady asked.  Sr. Lucia said, "it was done in half-measure". a term used in the bible. Not good!
    Not good indeed. And I think back to the consecration of Louis XVI of the Sacred Heart, which too was done "in half-measure", and France yet suffered the errors of the French Revolution.

    I speculate that we could yet say that it was done, even if in a half-measure, and the errors have spread as we were warned because it wasn't done soon enough.
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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #33 on: February 14, 2022, 04:36:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Durango77 on February 13, 2022, 11:59:35 PM
    Bishop Dolan said he believed it was already done, which is why there hasn't been a major war since the 1940s, he basically said he believes that whatever Pius XII did was acceptable to heaven, again which is why there have been no major conflicts in 80 years.

    So, this means the period of peace (connected to the Miracle of the Sun) has coincided with decades-long utterly incalculable spiritual destruction and a crisis within Holy Church of a magnitude that is beyond comprehension (with no end or solution in sight), but at least the non-stop wars have been "lesser" wars (which have killed close to if not more people than ALL the wars of previous centuries combined).  This doesn't even touch upon the gob-smacking, ever-intensifying immorality, or the non-stop INFANTICIDE taking place worldwide (which probably has more victims than all the wars that have been, are, or will ever be).  ALL of Communist China's murders took place post-WW2.  HeL-Lo-O!! :fryingpan:

    Makes perfect sense.

    Anyone who thinks the Period of Peace has somehow oh-so-quietly transpired during what has been arguably the most wretched and sinful and utterly-Godless century in history needs to have his head examined.
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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #34 on: February 14, 2022, 04:39:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 14, 2022, 08:29:38 AM
    That's an interesting theory.

    It is complete nonsense.  See my responses above and below.
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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #35 on: February 14, 2022, 04:48:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Durango77 on February 13, 2022, 11:59:35 PM
    Bishop Dolan said he believes that whatever Pius XII did was acceptable to heaven...

    It was so acceptable that God allowed Holy Church to be utterly obliterated by Pius XII's immediate successors.  55+ years later, no mortal mind, however nimble, gifted and well-educated can even grasp the scale of the destruction or accurately diagnose the seemingly-mortal illness, yet we are to believe what Pius XII did was pleasing to God?  I would hate to see what would have happened if he had failed to do as directed.
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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #36 on: February 14, 2022, 04:56:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on February 14, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
    It was so acceptable that God allowed Holy Church to be utterly obliterated by Pius XII's immediate successors.  55+ years later, no mortal mind, however nimble, gifted and well-educated can even grasp the scale of the destruction or accurately diagnose the seemingly-mortal illness, yet we are to believe what Pius XII did was pleasing to God?  I would hate to see what would have happened if he had failed to do as directed.
    That's why I referenced the consecration of the Sacred Heart in France, which was done, but was late and not done in a manner pleasing to God, therefore, France suffered.

    Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 14, 2022, 03:44:56 PM
    Not good indeed. And I think back to the consecration of Louis XVI of the Sacred Heart, which too was done "in half-measure", and France yet suffered the errors of the French Revolution.

    I speculate that we could yet say that it was done, even if in a half-measure, and the errors have spread as we were warned because it wasn't done soon enough.

    Now, there's speculation that 2029 something may happen due to the parallel timeframe to the SH consecration, so it remains to be seen. Recall also that it was requested for Pius XI to do it, and he did not, resulting in the ʝʊdɛօ-Communists infiltrating the clergy.
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    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #37 on: February 14, 2022, 05:04:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on February 14, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
    That's why I referenced the consecration of the Sacred Heart in France, which was done, but was late and not done in a manner pleasing to God, therefore, France suffered.

    Now, there's speculation that 2029 something may happen due to the parallel timeframe to the SH consecration, so it remains to be seen. Recall also that it was requested for Pius XI to do it, and he did not, resulting in the ʝʊdɛօ-Communists infiltrating the clergy.
    So, why is it that these popes did not do as requested? This is interesting to me.  Is it possible that popes don't put as much focus on private revelations as many lay folk do? Have popes ever properly done consecrations requested by/through seers?
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    Re: Sedevacantism question
    « Reply #38 on: February 14, 2022, 05:33:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on February 14, 2022, 05:04:00 PM
    So, why is it that these popes did not do as requested? This is interesting to me.  Is it possible that popes don't put as much focus on private revelations as many lay folk do? Have popes ever properly done consecrations requested by/through seers?
    I know that Pius XII was devoted to Fatima, and had his own "miracle of the sun" occur in the Vatican Gardens. So it could simply have been a matter of lack of personal belief in the message when it came to Pius XI, God only knows. Because if we look back to the visions of St. Margaret Mary and the Sacred Heart, the Popes of her time were quite enthusiastic about the devotion, but the consecration in that age was for the authority of the King of France, not the Pope.

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    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]
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