Yes. The sacraments are indeed valid, but the Sedevacantist priests dispensing them are heretics for rejecting dogmas, nay even waging war on dogmas, of the Church. Bishop Sanborn’s views on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and Natural Family Planning makes his group an impossible choice for me otherwise I am most well disposed to his group’s otherwise phenomenal work. They are especially to be commended on their correct understanding of Communicatio in Sacris and their torch bearing of the late Bishop Guerard des Lauriers’ Cassiciacuм Thesis.

I am not a theologian. In any way, shape or form.

I can still tell that this argument is awful. It's home-alone-ism on steroids. It can't end well.

But you don't belong to the Church of Sanborn, you belong to the Church of Jesus Christ.
Why reject receiving Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament because of a frail imperfect human albeit a priest?
I can't seem to get past that with home aloners.  What am I missing?

Kind of sounds neo-donatist if you ask me.

So, IF the Conciliar Church is within the Catholic Church...

...THEN any and all members of the Conciliar Church are within the Catholic Church. 

Such a conclusion is absolutely necessary and unavoidable, at least according to Fr. Wathen's "logic" and "ecclesiology."

Yep, they're within it like a fifth column, all part of the fifth column. Don't forget that part or you'll not understand Fr. Wathen's "logic" and "ecclesiology" and end up disbelieving that which you cannot deny.

why the fifth column at all if not to deceive the people into a false religion with sacrilegious worship - which is undeniably happening - if not to lead the people toward hell?

Jupiter, what sedevacantist group do you align with?  Where do you assist at mass ... not actual location, but group....? Or do you stay home?  Because I have never known a sedevacantist to hold the views you hold regarding Vatican II.

See, what "group do you align with?" Exactly what I have been saying. Every new person here has to be slotted into some box or category so the rest of the group can approve or not and therefore bash accordingly.

Btw, since you are on this thread and I am thinking of it, there is irony in the fact that you are trying to judge people by classifying them. But please keep in mind, that I am quite certain there is at least one member here (obviously not me) that would still consider you a Jew, even if you have converted to the Catholic Faith. In other words, if you were to walk down the street, they would judge you by appearances alone based on your phenotype. No, they don't have your DNA, thanks God, but that would not stop them from possibly doing harm to you.

Just go back and read some of the trash threads here and see the absolute HATRED for Jєωιѕн people. It is not hard to figure out.

So please keep yourself safe down there in the CRAZY White-Nationalist-White-Supremacist USA, and keep your wits about you. There ARE people going around the Internet taking notes about ALL Jєωιѕн persons with the intentions of doing harm, or making their lives miserable.

If you don't want to be judged, stop judging others. You may have converted to the Catholic Faith (which is awesome), but some people are still blind and would see you as a Jew. They only consider the White Race as superior. Blacks and Jews (or any other ethnicity) don't cut it.

Learn self-defense, carry pepper spray or whatever, but just recognize the harsh reality. God bless you, Anne
P.S. And it's okay if you were "done with me" before. I forgive you. Gotta go for now.

 Anyway, I am not here to come up with reasons why people remain here for years on end. Which is kind of funny, because people of a certain age will know and understand and very well remember what people did  BEFORE the Internet--we wrote letters, had pen-pals we would never usually meet, sent cards, used rotary telephones, and sat on the porch and talked with neighbours, and kids played hockey in the street and yelled, "Car!" Ah, the good old days. Anyway...

I remember rotary telephones. Are you old enough to have ever used one on a regular basis? Just wonderin'.

To follow up on my previous posts of quotes on Communicatio in Sacris, I would like to provide some more interesting thoughts on the matter by our illustrious Fathers.

St. John Damascene: “With all our strength, therefore, let us never receive communion from or grant it to heretics; ‘Give not that which is holy unto dogs, saith the Lord, neither cast ye your pearls before swine,’ (Matt. 7:6); lest we become partakers in their dishonor and condemnation.” (Patrologia Graeca, vol. 94, col. 1149, 1152, 1153; Also De Fide Orthodoxa (Exposition of the Orthodox Faith), Book IV, Chapter XIII).

St. Basil the Great, Archbishop of Caesaria in Cappodocia: “As for all those who pretend to confess sound orthodox Faith, but are in communion with people who hold a different opinion, if they are forewarned and still remain stubborn [if we have admonished them once or twice but they still remain obstinate in their heresy], you must not only not be in communion with them, but you must not even call them brothers.” (Patrologia Orientalis, Vol. 17, p. 303)

Pope St. Gregory the Great, Dialogues (c. 593 A.D.): “Rather ought every one to submit to death, than to receive the sacrament of communion from the hand of a heretic.” (Quoted by Gratian, Decretum, 42. xxiv. q. 1)

Pope St. Leo the Great, Sermon 129: “Wherefore, since outside the Catholic Church there is nothing perfect, nothing undefiled, the Apostle declaring that “all that is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), we are in no way likened with those who are divided from the unity of the Body of Christ; we are joined in no communion.”

Origen: “If you eat the words of God in the Church, and also eat them in the ѕуηαgσgυє of the Jєωs, you transgress the commandment which says: “In one House shall it be eaten.” (Exodus 12:46).”

St. Cyril of Alexandria, On Leviticus 17:3: “It is therefore unlawful, and a profanation, and an act the punishment of which is death, to love to associate with unholy heretics, and to unite oneself to their communion.”

St. Athanasius the Great: “We are bound to refrain from communing with those whose opinions we abhor.” (Patrologia Græca, vol. XXVI, col. 1188B (“To Those Who Practice the Solitary Life and Who Are Established in Faith in God”)

St. Theodore the Studite (759-826 A.D.): “If anyone should not number with the other heresies the heresy which... say that communion with heretics is a matter of indifference, he is a heretic.” Another translation says: “If anyone should... say that fellowship with these people is a matter of indifference, he is a heretic.” (Patrologia Graeca, vol. XCIX, col. 352B (“First Refutation of the Iconclasts,” s. 20)

St. Martin of Tours: “I grieve for having been, if only for an hour, in communion with guilty men.” (The Life of Martin, by Sulpitius Severus)

St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Supplement, Q. 23, Art. 2: “An excommunicated person [such as a heretic] is banished from communion. Therefore whoever communicates with him leaves the communion of the Church [commits schism]: and hence he seems to be excommunicated.”

The Didache or Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, Chapter 9, On The Eucharist (c. 60-100 A.D.): “Now concerning the Eucharit. But let no one eat or drink of your Eucharist, unless they have been baptized into the name of the Lord [and shares the same faith]; for concerning this also the Lord has said, “Give not that which is holy to the dogs” (Matthew 7:6).” (The Didache, The Teachings of the Twelve Apostles, Early Christian Treatise)

Council of Laodicea, Canon 9: “Those who are members of the Church are not to be permitted to go into the cemeteries of any of the heretics for the purpose of prayer or veneration. If they do, they are to be excommunicated.” Another version says: “The members of the Church are not allowed to meet in the cemeteries, nor attend the so-called martyries of any of the heretics, for prayer or service; but such as so do, if they be communicants, shall be excommunicated for a time; but if they repent and confess that they have sinned they shall be received.”

Council of Laodicea, Canon 33: “No one shall join in prayers with heretics or schismatics.”

Apostolic Constitutions, Canon 65: “If any one, either of the clergy or laity, enters into a ѕуηαgσgυє of the Jєωs or heretics to pray, let him be deprived and suspended.”

“How does a Catholic sin against faith? A Catholic sins against Faith by Apostasy, heresy, indifferentism and by taking part in non-Catholic worship.” (Catechism of the Council of Trent, Catechism [attributed to] Pope St. Pius X and The Baltimore Catechism)

“It is unlawful for the faithful to assist in any active manner, or to take part in the sacred services of non-Catholics.” (1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1258.1)

“You help the ungodly, and you are joined in friendship with those who hate the Lord; and therefore you did indeed deserve the wrath of the Lord.” (II Paralipomenon 19:2)

“I will not communicate with the choicest of them... Depart from me, ye malignant ones!” (Psalm 140:4; 118:115)

“A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.” (Titus 3:10-11)

“Are heretics and schismatics excommunicated? Yes; they have no part in the Communion of the Saints.” (St. Thomas Aquinas, Catechism of the Summa)

“St. Anthony the Abbot would not speak to a heretic, except to exhort him to the true faith; and he drove all heretics from his mountain, calling them venomous serpents.” (St. Athanasius on the life of St. Anthony the Hermit)

“Saint Peter and Paul have loathed heretics, and in their Epistles have warned us to avoid them.” (St. Cyprian)

“I will not pray with you, nor shall you pray with me; neither will I say “Amen” to your prayers, nor shall you to mine!” (Blessed Margaret Clitherow)

From the Life of St. John the Almsgiver - Admonition against taking communion from heretics: “Another thing the blessed man taught and insisted upon with all was never on any occasion whatsoever to associate with heretics and, above all, never to take the Holy Communion with them, ‘even if’, the blessed man said:

“You remain without communicating all your life, if through stress of circuмstances you cannot find a community of the Catholic Church. For if, having legally married a wife in this world of the flesh, we are forbidden by God and by the laws to desert her and be united to another woman, even though we have to spend a long time separated from her in a distant country, and shall incur punishment if we violate our vows, how then shall we, who have been joined to God through the orthodox faith and the Catholic Church–as the apostle says: ‘I espoused you to one husband that I might present you as a pure virgin to Christ’ (2 Cor. 11:2) -- how shall we escape from sharing in that punishment which in the world to come awaits heretics, if we defile the orthodox and holy faith by adulterous communion with heretics?” For ‘communion’, he said, “has been so called because he who has ‘communion’ has things in common and agrees with those with whom he has ‘communion’. Therefore I implore you earnestly, children, never to go near the oratories of the heretics in order to communicate there.” (Three Byzantine Saints, “The Life of Saint John the Almsgiver”, Translators: Elizabeth Dawes & Norman H. Baynes, St. Vladimir’s Seminary Press, Crestwood: 1977; p. 251)

Get off my lawn! 

Never before have I seen someone hate a particular forum so much, but continue to use it daily.