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Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #100 on: January 29, 2022, 12:39:04 PM »
How do you know that there's no holiness at all in the visible and material structure of the church? The negative elements that you describe above do exist, but can you be quite sure that nothing of the Catholic Faith remains?

Communicatio in Sacris/Divinis with heretics and/or schismatics is heresy. Those in the material structures of the Church are heretics for either a) being heretics themselves or b) for being in Communion with heretics.

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (#9): “No one who merely disbelieves in all can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single heresy he is not a Catholic.”

III Council of Constantinople, 680-681: “If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into…the meetinghouses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion. If any bishop or priest or deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from communion.”

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #101 on: January 29, 2022, 12:40:00 PM »
Grace.

Grace is a part of it, but not the primary vehicle. The mind must consent to the Grace that is given or Grace is useless.

The Protestant believes himself to have “Grace” as the Catholic does. Who actually has Grace?

The intellect must determine. Not “feelings” or “sentimentalisms.”


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Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #102 on: January 29, 2022, 12:43:45 PM »

Communicatio in Sacris/Divinis with heretics and/or schismatics is heresy. Those in the material structures of the Church are heretics for either a) being heretics themselves or b) for being in Communion with heretics.

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (#9): “No one who merely disbelieves in all can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single heresy he is not a Catholic.”

III Council of Constantinople, 680-681: “If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into…the meetinghouses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion. If any bishop or priest or deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from communion.”

It's foundational, part of the Gospel referenced by St. Paul in Galatians: 

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2 John

[9] Whosoever revolteth, and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son.

Omnis qui recedit, et non permanet in doctrina Christi, Deum non habet : qui permanet in doctrina, hic et Patrem et Filium habet.


[10] If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you.
Si quis venit ad vos, et hanc doctrinam non affert, nolite recipere eum in domum, nec Ave ei dixeritis.

[11]
 For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works.

Qui enim dicit illi Ave, communicat operibus ejus malignis.


[9] Whosoever revolteth, and continueth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that continueth in the doctrine, the same hath both the Father and the Son.

Omnis qui recedit, et non permanet in doctrina Christi, Deum non habet : qui permanet in doctrina, hic et Patrem et Filium habet.


[10] If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you.
Si quis venit ad vos, et hanc doctrinam non affert, nolite recipere eum in domum, nec Ave ei dixeritis.

[11]
 For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works.

Qui enim dicit illi Ave, communicat operibus ejus malignis.

http://www.drbo.org/drl/chapter/70001.htm


Offline Meg

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2022, 12:50:02 PM »
Communicatio in Sacris/Divinis with heretics and/or schismatics is heresy. Those in the material structures of the Church are heretics for either a) being heretics themselves or b) for being in Communion with heretics.

Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (#9): “No one who merely disbelieves in all can for that reason regard himself as a Catholic or call himself one. For there may be or arise some other heresies, which are not set out in this work of ours, and, if any one holds to one single heresy he is not a Catholic.”

III Council of Constantinople, 680-681: “If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into…the meetinghouses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion. If any bishop or priest or deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from communion.”

So, in your opinion, it does not really matter if any holiness still exists in the conciliar church, since heretics reign there, and we can't be in communion with heretics? I'm just trying to clarify your position.

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2022, 12:53:26 PM »
Agreed. Honestly, it goes to show the absolute importance of having an orthodox (or valid, depending on your position) Pope.
Never fear.  Jupiter is here.