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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2022, 12:31:51 PM »
Quote from: Jupiter on January 29, 2022, 12:25:59 PM
I agree with RomanTheo. There is visibility today in the material structures of the Church. But what is it that is visible? Nothing but heresy, blasphemy, impiety, sacrilege, destruction, sin, and scandal.

This is the visibility of iniquity; not holiness.

The man, and his church, of lawlessness, appearing in the temple of God. 2 Thessalonians 2. 
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Offline Meg

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2022, 12:33:45 PM »
Quote from: Jupiter on January 29, 2022, 12:25:59 PM
I agree with RomanTheo. There is visibility today in the material structures of the Church. But what is it that is visible? Nothing but heresy, blasphemy, impiety, sacrilege, destruction, sin, and scandal.

This is the visibility of iniquity; not holiness.

How do you know that there's no holiness at all in the visible and material structure of the church? The negative elements that you describe above do exist, but can you be quite sure that nothing of the Catholic Faith remains? 
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2022, 12:36:37 PM »
Quote from: Jupiter on January 29, 2022, 12:25:59 PM

I agree with RomanTheo. There is visibility today in the material structures of the Church. But what is it that is visible? Nothing but heresy, blasphemy, impiety, sacrilege, destruction, sin, and scandal.

This is the visibility of iniquity; not holiness.

Yes. It serves its purpose in that. That is the sign of the approaching return of Our Lord, forecast in the Scriptures. When you see the "abomination of desolation" . . . flee and get ready.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2022, 12:37:45 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 29, 2022, 12:33:45 PM
How do you know that there's no holiness at all in the visible and material structure of the church? The negative elements that you describe above do exist, but can you be quite sure that nothing of the Catholic Faith remains?

There are certainly those within the Conciliar Church who still formally possess the faith but are materially separated.  During the Great Western Schism we had (canonized) saints on all sides who were nevertheless formally united.  But this does not mean that the institution of the Conciliar Church itself is materially and objectively the Catholic Church ... any more than it meant that all the popes who had Catholic followers during the Great Western Schism were legitimate.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2022, 12:38:49 PM »
Quote from: Jupiter on January 29, 2022, 11:01:52 AM
Interesting.

So how does a non-Catholic come to the belief that there is an infallible teacher that has infallibly taught a doctrine that was revealed by God?

Subjective personal taste? Coercion? “Feelings” of the Holy Spirit communicating?

Grace.
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