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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2022, 07:47:03 AM »
Quote from: angelusmaria on January 28, 2022, 07:09:28 AM
Does Novus Ordo Watch actually belong in this grouping?  Mario Derksen gave a great talk at the most recent CMRI 2021 Fatima Conference

Derksen does great work, don't get me wrong, and he hasn't come out against the CMRI at all, but NOW does tend to promote the non una cuм novelty of Cekada and co.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2022, 07:50:51 AM »
Quote from: Matthew on January 28, 2022, 07:27:48 AM

Well said. I have said many times in the past how Cekada's novel "Una cuм" construct was a convenient, selfish, self-serving device to "remove the competition" and make more income/money for himself and his chapel(s).

What better way to "own" your parishioners, than by removing all other Masses as an option?

It's diabolically brilliant -- and quite obvious.
I forget which video it was, but I also recall +Sanborn railing about tithing in his chapels stating how much they must contribute based on their income. His example was $800 a month for someone that makes $50k/year. I don't know about some of you, but, I make a little more than that as our household income as the sole breadwinner as of late, and certainly wouldn't be able to meet $800 a month in tithes.

That was a big red flag for me.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2022, 08:16:31 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 28, 2022, 07:47:03 AM
Derksen does great work, don't get me wrong, and he hasn't come out against the CMRI at all, but NOW does tend to promote the non una cuм novelty of Cekada and co.
I think you have to post where he states attendance at an una cuм mass is a sin.  Although he certainly doesn't encourage assistance at an una cuм mass, I don't believe he has ever gone as far as stating to do so would be a sin.  He's probably more in line with the CMRI's position.  
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Offline PAT317

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2022, 08:24:35 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 28, 2022, 07:50:51 AM
I forget which video it was, but I also recall +Sanborn railing about tithing in his chapels stating how much they must contribute based on their income. His example was $800 a month for someone that makes $50k/year. I don't know about some of you, but, I make a little more than that as our household income as the sole breadwinner as of late, and certainly wouldn't be able to meet $800 a month in tithes.

That was a big red flag for me.

A "tithe" has always been understood to be 10%.  10% of $50,000 is $5000, which comes to $417/month.  Where in the world did he come up with $800?  [And I suspect many people might have difficulty meeting $400+ per month.] 
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Heiner/TR attacks CMRI
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2022, 08:36:48 AM »
Quote from: PAT317 on January 28, 2022, 08:24:35 AM
A "tithe" has always been understood to be 10%.  10% of $50,000 is $5000, which comes to $417/month.  Where in the world did he come up with $800?  [And I suspect many people might have difficulty meeting the $400+ per month.] 
Maybe the video should be provided.  I wonder whether this was in reference to making a lump sum donation to help fund the new seminary building.
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