Author Topic: Head of CDF: Trads Cherry Picking Points to Support Their Ideology (Read 798 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** December 20, 2012, 06:32:25 PM »

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/12/19/head-of-the-cdf-urges-catholics-to-welcome-ordinariate-converts/

...Archbishop Müller, who was appointed prefect in July this year, oversees reconciliation talks with the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) in his new role. He told the Herald that “the SSPX must accept the fullness of the Catholic faith and its practice” as “disunity always damages the proclamation of the Gospel by darkening the testimony of Jesus Christ”.

He said: “The SSPX need to distinguish between the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council and specific abuses that occurred after the Council, but which are not founded in the Council’s docuмents.”

He later continued: “Everyone who is Catholic must ask themselves if they are cherry-picking points from the Church’s teachings for the sake of supporting an ideology. Which is more important; an ideology or the faith? I want to say to people in extreme groups to put their ideology to one side and come to Jesus Christ.”...

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:08:01 PM »

He is demonstrably light on specifics.

At any rate, every "cherry" he is talking about undoubtedly represents part of Catholic doctrine, which is irreformable.

It is far more likely that those who write articles for the Wanderer defending religious liberty and making claims about Catholics not needing to convert Jєωs are the ones who are "cherry-picking" - totally distorting the history of Catholic teaching in order to support the judaizing agenda of false ecuмenism.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:14:30 PM »

The real ideologues are the modernists who follow Teilhardism, neo-modernism, and who would have the world believe that Catholicism is humanistic, masonic affluent of a one world "religion of man." Most traditionalist Catholics are unfortunately not nearly "ideological" enough. That is in fact one of the main problems in the Traditional Catholic movement.

According to the dictionary:

ideology: the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

Yes, the Doctrine of the Social Reign of Christ the King is a collection of integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program.

In fundamental OPPOSITION to the liberal, masonic, "religion of man."

Quote from: Gaudium et Spes

12. According to the almost unanimous opinion of believers and unbelievers alike, all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown.

Our Lord Jesus Christ is God made man, not man made God.

You are the ideologue, we are the Catholics.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2012, 07:57:25 PM »

Tele, these people never have read Vatican II and its error-laden docuмents so I don't think they can ever be brought out of their error. If only they would see the ideology that the Novus Ordo-bearing establishment has wrought onto the sheep, Christ's sheep.

But I guess all this is keeping with Christ's words on there being little faith when He returns. It all is in God's will for them to kept in the darkness I suppose.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2012, 08:00:21 PM »

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Tele, these people never have read Vatican II and its error-laden docuмents so I don't think they can ever be brought out of their error. If only they would see the ideology that the Novus Ordo-bearing establishment has wrought onto the sheep, Christ's sheep.

You mean the majority of Traditional Catholics who don't really seem to understand the issues?

As Bowler said, if they're ignorant, it's for a reason. It's because they're not being taught anymore by the SSPX the nature of the problems.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2012, 08:10:36 PM »

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Tele, these people never have read Vatican II and its error-laden docuмents so I don't think they can ever be brought out of their error. If only they would see the ideology that the Novus Ordo-bearing establishment has wrought onto the sheep, Christ's sheep.

You mean the majority of Traditional Catholics who don't really seem to understand the issues?

As Bowler said, if they're ignorant, it's for a reason. It's because they're not being taught anymore by the SSPX the nature of the problems.

Yes, the majority of Traditional Catholics and even more so nearly all neo-Traditionalists that fill the rank and file of indult groups, Fellay-SSPX groups, and conservative Novus Ordo. I suppose this leaves a small remnant who do follow the true Church and its teachings.

The recent thread in SSPX-Rome forum here regarding Fr. Ringrose's letter summarizes my sentiments on bringing to the light the erroneous mindset of those who take 95% of Vatican II as good, and remove the 5% of it that is bad. The problem is not with those who reject Vatican II entirely, the problem is with those who think a Church can promulgate error authoritatively (which Vatican II did do , obviously by Paul VI's signature and declaration) and that it is acceptable to take any error in a church-approved council. "Those who abandon the faith by one iota have rejected all of it"... How fitting Fr. Ringrose made that statement during his sermon at St. Athanasius Church because St. Athanasius declared that as well during the homoousion vs homoiousion controversy.