Author Topic: Modernists hatred of the Scapular and the Rosary (Read 1531 times)

nctradcath · « **on:** June 29, 2016, 03:33:18 PM »

I have been reading modern articles on the scapular and the rosary and comparing them to more traditional and older ones and I have come to the conclusion that these modernists hate the rosary and the scapular. They go out of Thier way to try to discredit or to destroy the supernatural origin of both. All of I have to know is that St. Pius X believed I the apparition of Our Lady to St. Simon. I believe that anyone who downplays the rosary and scapular is probably a servant of Hell whether conscious of it or not. I read that even Fr. Garigou Lagrange who was many times more brilliant than these modernist article writers that try to strip away the holy origins of Our Faith firmly beilieved and taught that those who perform he first Friday devotions are among the elect. Reading that gave me a great deal of comfort.

nctradcath · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2016, 03:34:52 PM »

I have not done the first Friday or Saturday devotions. I hope to be able to do both in my life.

nctradcath · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2016, 03:37:51 PM »

How do modernists and modern Catholic "writers" explain the I corrupt scapulars of St. John Bosco, St. Alphonsus, or Pope Gregory 10.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2016, 08:31:00 PM »

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How do modernists and modern Catholic "writers" explain the [incorrupt] scapulars of St. John Bosco, St. Alphonsus, or Pope Gregory 10.

Blessed Francisco Marto (one of the 3 Fatima children) was also found to have an incorrupt brown scapular.

As for what scoffers and skeptics have to say, are you somehow impressed with Modernists who deny the Resurrection of Our Lord or the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady? They tried to deny the stigmata of Padre Pio, you know, but that didn't go very far. Padre Pio was no shrinking violet. It probably took him all the resolve he could muster to keep from knocking their teeth out with a quick fist punch.

I would recommend not paying any attention to what apostates say about these things. Whatever they say about incorrupt scapulars isn't going to do you any good, anyway.

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2016, 08:38:34 PM »

I think most modernists hate the scapular and rosary, but not all. I say this because when I was in the Novus Ordo I went to a special Mass after which they had a ceremony investing us in the Brown Scapular. So some of the modernists still wear the Brown Scapular. And I also remember reading an article in the local Novus Ordo newspaper about the brown scapular by a Bishop (I forget which one) who said he always wears a Brown Scapular and he wrote that when he went for surgery the doctors wouldn't let him wear it. He was upset and he had them pin the Scapular to his bed so it was near him during the surgery.

TKGS · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2016, 08:56:44 PM »

Modernists don't believe in miracles, period. They don't believe in the apparitions to St. Simon or to St. Dominic just as they don't believe in the miracles of our Lord. I'm sure everyone has heard the Modernist explanation of the multiplication of loaves and fishes. I don't know why anyone would think they would think there would be any supernatural advantages of the scapular or the rosary.

Matto · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2016, 09:00:00 PM »

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Modernists don't believe in miracles, period.

I think you are being a little too general. There are all sorts of modernists. Some believe in miracles and some do not. I would consider the conservative Novus Ordo faithful to be modernists but most of them do believe in miracles and some of them even pray the Rosary and wear the Scapular. Of course the worst modernists don't, but some do. There are many in the Novus Ordo who get upset when the priests deny the miracles of Christ, most commonly the multiplication of loaves and fishes, but they are mostly modernists also even though they might not know it.

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2016, 05:24:59 AM »

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Modernists don't believe in miracles, period.

I think you are being a little too general. There are all sorts of modernists. Some believe in miracles and some do not. I would consider the conservative Novus Ordo faithful to be modernists but most of them do believe in miracles and some of them even pray the Rosary and wear the Scapular. Of course the worst modernists don't, but some do. There are many in the Novus Ordo who get upset when the priests deny the miracles of Christ, most commonly the multiplication of loaves and fishes, but they are mostly modernists also even though they might not know it.

In that case, this entire topic is too general. Why point out the exception rather than the rule unless your purpose is to obfuscate?

songbird · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2016, 05:32:00 PM »

I have a view, that modernists take a look at scapulars, rosary as superstitious, maybe. Or embarassed to be seen saying the rosary.

Very sad! They will be embarassed when they die and are judged by the God.

MMagdala · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2016, 10:19:32 PM »

Key word = Modernist.

If it's un-modern (pre-modern), it's suspect. Thus, "conservative" Catholics (lovers of all things JP2 but little or nothing before 1978) are often quite devoted to the Divine Mercy Chaplet (a repetitive devotion) and will substitute that for the rosary, as if the former is equivalent or even "better." Recently, someone prominent in our trad parish was quite ill and needed prayers. The prayer tree specified "Masses," "Rosaries," etc. Along came a N.O. Mass attendee and asked specifically to substitute a D.M. chaplet for the latter, even though the prayer cards had already been written out. Modern substitutions are something of a cult for many of these people. Generally, they fall into 2 categories: no sacramentals and devotions at all, or only modern ones and modern "Saints."

That's just my experience, but one I have consistently encountered.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2016, 10:34:37 PM »

I know a lot of conservative Novus Ordites who are very holy Catholics who pray the rosary, wear the scapular and have deep devotions.

A lot of ones that are actually modernist, however, seem to not... or support John Paul II's Luminous Mysteries and the Divine Mercy chaplet. There's nothing wrong with incorporating the Trisagion into the Holy Rosary, but the devotion was condemned. In the parish near me here in Central MN, there's no talk of any devotion at all. It's Marian Lutheranism.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2016, 06:43:29 AM »

Why add or change that has been given to us by Our Blessed Mother.

Zeitun · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2016, 07:11:01 AM »

I know a pagan who hates the Catholic Church and wears a brown scapular. He was never enrolled (which might actually be less of a sacrilege) but I guess he thinks of it as a good luck charm. And lest anyone think this gentleman is converting....no he isn't. The scapular is part of his pantheon of superficial religious devotions.

nctradcath · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2016, 04:16:33 PM »

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Key word = Modernist.

devoted to the Divine Mercy Chaplet (a repetitive devotion) and will substitute that for the rosary, as if the former is equivalent or even "better."

That's just my experience, but one I have consistently encountered.

What does a Divine Mercy Chaplet entail?

MMagdala · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2016, 08:57:43 PM »

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Key word = Modernist.

devoted to the Divine Mercy Chaplet (a repetitive devotion) and will substitute that for the rosary, as if the former is equivalent or even "better."

That's just my experience, but one I have consistently encountered.

What does a Divine Mercy Chaplet entail?

Here:
http://www.thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/praythechaplet.php