Author Topic: H.E. Bishop Williamson and The Syllabus of Errors (Read 2044 times)

Zenith · « **on:** April 29, 2012, 06:15:35 AM »

I happened to be reading through the Syllabus of Errors the other day and reading error #22, I could not help thinking of Bishop Williamson.

Many people I speak to say the exact same thing about how he was imprudent and how he should only speak on matters pertaining to the faith.

Here is error #22 from the Syllabus of Errors.

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22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. -- Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, "Tuas libenter," Dec. 21, 1863.

So the idea that any Bishop or Priest should not speak on anything but " those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church" is completely false and has been condemned by the Church in Pius IX's Syllabus of errors.

Those who repeat and spread this idea that Bishop Williamson should not speak on issues that he has in the past are simply spreading a condemned modernist principal whether they know it or not.

SJB · « **Reply #1 on:** April 29, 2012, 09:20:42 AM »

Quote from: Zenith

I happened to be reading through the Syllabus of Errors the other day and reading error #22, I could not help thinking of Bishop Williamson.

Many people I speak to say the exact same thing about how he was imprudent and how he should only speak on matters pertaining to the faith.

Here is error #22 from the Syllabus of Errors.
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22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. -- Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, "Tuas libenter," Dec. 21, 1863.

So the idea that any Bishop or Priest should not speak on anything but " those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church" is completely false and has been condemned by the Church in Pius IX's Syllabus of errors.

Those who repeat and spread this idea that Bishop Williamson should not speak on issues that he has in the past are simply spreading a condemned modernist principal whether they know it or not.

You've misunderstood. Tuas Libenter is speaking of things theologically certain.

Zenith · « **Reply #2 on:** April 29, 2012, 03:44:29 PM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Zenith
I happened to be reading through the Syllabus of Errors the other day and reading error #22, I could not help thinking of Bishop Williamson.

Many people I speak to say the exact same thing about how he was imprudent and how he should only speak on matters pertaining to the faith.

Here is error #22 from the Syllabus of Errors.
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22. The obligation by which Catholic teachers and authors are strictly bound is confined to those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church. -- Letter to the Archbishop of Munich, "Tuas libenter," Dec. 21, 1863.

So the idea that any Bishop or Priest should not speak on anything but " those things only which are proposed to universal belief as dogmas of faith by the infallible judgment of the Church" is completely false and has been condemned by the Church in Pius IX's Syllabus of errors.

Those who repeat and spread this idea that Bishop Williamson should not speak on issues that he has in the past are simply spreading a condemned modernist principal whether they know it or not.

You've misunderstood. Tuas Libenter is speaking of things theologically certain.

How have I misunderstood? The statement is quite clear to me. If you think I misunderstand it, could you please show me how?

Dino · « **Reply #3 on:** April 29, 2012, 04:27:09 PM »

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SJB · « **Reply #4 on:** April 29, 2012, 07:30:01 PM »

Quote from: Pope Pius IX

“it is not sufficient for learned Catholics to accept and revere the aforesaid dogmas of the Church, but that it is also necessary to subject themselves to the decisions pertaining to doctrine which are issued by the Pontifical Congregations, AND ALSO TO THOSE FORMS OF DOCTRINE WHICH ARE HELD BY THE COMMON AND CONSTANT CONSENT OF CATHOLICS AS THEOLOGICAL TRUTHS AND CONCLUSIONS, SO CERTAIN THAT OPINIONS OPPOSED TO THESE SAME FORMS OF DOCTRINE, ALTHOUGH THEY CANNOT BE CALLED HERETICAL, NEVERTHELESS DESERVE SOME THEOLOGICAL CENSURE Tuas Libenter (1863), Denzinger 1684.

Pope Pius IX distinguishes between the dogmas of the Church and the other forms of doctrine further described as “HELD BY THE COMMON AND CONSTANT CONSENT OF CATHOLICS AS THEOLOGICAL TRUTHS AND CONCLUSIONS, SO THAT OPINIONS OPPOSED TO THESE SAME FORMS OF DOCTRINE, ALTHOUGH THEY CANNOT BE CALLED HERETICAL, NEVERTHELESS DESERVE SOME THEOLOGICAL CENSURE.”

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bp. Williamson (or anybody else) speaking about politics or historical topics.

Zenith · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:30:49 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Pope Pius IX
“it is not sufficient for learned Catholics to accept and revere the aforesaid dogmas of the Church, but that it is also necessary to subject themselves to the decisions pertaining to doctrine which are issued by the Pontifical Congregations, AND ALSO TO THOSE FORMS OF DOCTRINE WHICH ARE HELD BY THE COMMON AND CONSTANT CONSENT OF CATHOLICS AS THEOLOGICAL TRUTHS AND CONCLUSIONS, SO CERTAIN THAT OPINIONS OPPOSED TO THESE SAME FORMS OF DOCTRINE, ALTHOUGH THEY CANNOT BE CALLED HERETICAL, NEVERTHELESS DESERVE SOME THEOLOGICAL CENSURE Tuas Libenter (1863), Denzinger 1684.

Pope Pius IX distinguishes between the dogmas of the Church and the other forms of doctrine further described as “HELD BY THE COMMON AND CONSTANT CONSENT OF CATHOLICS AS THEOLOGICAL TRUTHS AND CONCLUSIONS, SO THAT OPINIONS OPPOSED TO THESE SAME FORMS OF DOCTRINE, ALTHOUGH THEY CANNOT BE CALLED HERETICAL, NEVERTHELESS DESERVE SOME THEOLOGICAL CENSURE.”

This has absolutely nothing to do with Bp. Williamson (or anybody else) speaking about politics or historical topics.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. Perhaps I took it out of context.

Aside from that, I would like to say that the idea that any cleric should limit what they can speak on to purely matters of faith is far from a Catholic one and anyone who promotes such an idea is simply advancing the freemasonic agenda of separation of Church and state.

Zenith · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2012, 02:34:21 AM »

Quote from: Dino

H.E. Bishop Williamson and The Syllabus of Errors....

Via YouTube!.....

I have seen this link before and it is good. God bless H. E. Bishop Williamson!