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Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2012, 08:54:13 PM »
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    Any Sede who attends the sspx really needs to think about what God wants us to do.


    What about sedes who's only option is an SSPX Mass? What should they do in that situation?

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    « Reply #31 on: March 27, 2012, 09:22:04 PM »
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  • They should not attend.

    Some people move house to attend a Mass which is pleasing to God.

    Other people spend hours travelling each Sunday in order to attend a Mass which is pleasing to God.

    The Faith should be the most important thing in our lives.

    We should never compromise it due to human respect or sloth or any other reason.

    If it takes a real effort for a Sede to get to a Sede Traditional Latin Mass, then he should put that effort in.


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    « Reply #32 on: March 27, 2012, 09:26:17 PM »
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  • I do not advocate becoming a home-aloner.

    We all need the Sacraments.

    Our Lord instituted the Sacraments.

    The Sacraments are a vital means of Salvation.

    Obviously people should make whatever effort is necessary to attend Mass.

    Also, in the present situation in the Church, it may not be possible to attend weekly Mass.

    Perhaps only monthly.

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    « Reply #33 on: March 27, 2012, 09:40:23 PM »
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  • There are possibly several hundred Sede Traditional Latin Mass Churches or Mass centres in North America alone.

    So it should not be impossible to get to a Sede Traditional Latin Mass.

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    « Reply #34 on: March 28, 2012, 01:10:06 PM »
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    There are possibly several hundred Sede Traditional Latin Mass Churches or Mass centres in North America alone.

    So it should not be impossible to get to a Sede Traditional Latin Mass.


    Agreed.  But it is not sinful to miss mass if you live more than an hour away.   For example - I live an hour and 15 minutes from Omaha and we attend Mass , usually three or four times a week.   But my Son lives an Hour and 20 minutes from Omaha as was told by the Priest that it was ok due to finanicial hardship to attend Mass once a month so long as he kept each Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation - Holy.

    We moved to Omaha in the Late 90's to not only attend Mass but Holy Week and for the School.  So it does all boil down to what is most important for each of us - to save our souls.

    The more we can do to accomplish this the better off we are IMO


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    « Reply #35 on: March 29, 2012, 12:04:28 PM »
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      So, I was just curious:

       There is another thread going that in entering into a discussion of which sede groups are legit, good, wacko, etc.

       Question: There seems to be a strong preference on this forum for the CMRI.  Why is that so?

        I would have thought that the former SSPX sedes would have the most followers, and the CMRI the fewest (because of the Thuc validity issue).



    Why not CMRI, just because some want to believe in the Thuc "issue", is their problem.  There are just as many if not more information that prove Thuc is valid.  

    CMRI has proven over and over that they represent a large part of the remnant Catholic church, it is as if God is protecting them from the lies the world tries to spin.  Just as the Church has always continued in spite of the evil forces against it, so CMRI, also stands, and will as long as it preaches sound doctrine.

    CMRI IS the Church, an order, within the Church.  Just as St. Athanasius in his letter to his flock states. "EVEN IF CATHOLICS FAITHFUL TO TRADITION ARE REDUCED TO A HANDFUL, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST."
    (source: Coll. seleta SS. Ecci. Patrum, Cailiau and Guillou, Vlol. 32, pp. 411-412)

    Not to say, they are the only order, but since you asked about CMRI...

    As I said previously in another thread, the problem with many traditional Catholics is, they do not see their priests as being The Church.  This however, is not my problem.  CMRI in spite of what others here like to spin, is THE CHURCH.  

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    « Reply #36 on: March 29, 2012, 01:27:46 PM »
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    Pope Pius XI personally selected Fr. Thuc to be consecrated a Bishop.




    I believe U mean Pope Pius XII


    Yes, it was Pope Pius XII. He gave him the ability to consecrate without papal approval to protect against the communists in Vietnam; however, while they weren't in Vietnam, he still made other bishops to protect against the communists!


    It is my understanding that both Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII gave Bishop Thuc the ability to consecrate without papal mandate.
    2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

    Galatians Chapter 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a

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    « Reply #37 on: March 29, 2012, 01:30:33 PM »
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    Pope Pius XI personally selected Fr. Thuc to be consecrated a Bishop.




    I believe U mean Pope Pius XII


    Yes, it was Pope Pius XII. He gave him the ability to consecrate without papal approval to protect against the communists in Vietnam; however, while they weren't in Vietnam, he still made other bishops to protect against the communists!


    It is my understanding that both Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII gave Bishop Thuc the ability to consecrate without papal mandate.


    Thank you GC. I knew it was Pius XII, I did not know about Pius XI, so thank you for informing me!


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    « Reply #38 on: March 29, 2012, 02:02:13 PM »
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  • You are not required to hold the Sedevacant veiw or even believe that the new ordination rites are invalid to attend a CMRI chapel. The only thing that they require is that you stop going to the Novus Ordo mass.

    CMRI does not tell you that you can't go to a SSPX chapel. Some of the priest might advise against it but they don't forbid it.

    Some of the people who attend CMRI would never go to an SSPX chapel, others have no problem with it. I've heard interesting points for and against attending "una cum" masses. Personally, I'm against going to "una cum" masses, but If I lived in an area where the only place around was an SSPX chapel and I had not received the sacraments for a long time, I might be more flexible.
    2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

    Galatians Chapter 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a

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    « Reply #39 on: March 29, 2012, 02:17:40 PM »
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    You are not required to hold the Sedevacant veiw or even believe that the new ordination rites are invalid to attend a CMRI chapel. The only thing that they require is that you stop going to the Novus Ordo mass.

    CMRI does not tell you that you can't go to a SSPX chapel. Some of the priest might advise against it but they don't forbid it.

    Some of the people who attend CMRI would never go to an SSPX chapel, others have no problem with it. I've heard interesting points for and against attending "una cum" masses. Personally, I'm against going to "una cum" masses, but If I lived in an area where the only place around was an SSPX chapel and I had not received the sacraments for a long time, I might be more flexible.


    Precisely correct. I personally do not attend "Una Cum" Masses either however , I have never questioned whether or not they are Valid. The question has always been raised as to whether or not the SSPX Priest is using the proper intent and that point has been raised by Father Cekada as you all well know as well as the home aloners.  Since we do not have a hierarchy to go to - to decide the issue - I think these questions will always remain questions until this heresy is no more. If I had to choose between No Sacraments and Una Cum Masses - I would go to Una Cum Masses without hesitation.  I do not go now because we moved to Omaha and attend CMRI.   But I cannot criticize anyone who goes to Church to offer the Body and Blood of Our Lord fulfilling his Sunday Obligation.   The intent by the Faithful to do so is , I think , what Almighty GOD wants from us.  And once a Priest always a Priest and the Supreme law seems to take precedence over the arguments against.

    Pax


     

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