Author Topic: Groups, personalities - complete map of Sedevacantist world (Read 26827 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2012, 08:46:12 PM »

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I'm sure you do tell the truth when you know it. I do question your omniscience, though. And what do you mean, RIP Dawn. She's alright isn't she?

Yeah shes alright. Just RIP as in banned... I believe that was the last status on her here.

No, she's not currently banned. She left on her own.

I actually saw her online about two months ago, but she hasn't posted since December 2010.

roscoe · « **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:41:40 PM »

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How kooky is the world of sedevacantism. All these different groups in disagreement with each other and forever squabbling. United only in their intense hatred of Vatican II and the post conciliar Popes. This is what happens when you sever ties with the Barque of Peter, you are bound to lose your mooring and falter.

All those who deny the Siri election have 'severed their ties to the Barque of Peter'. This includes deluded followers of the anti-pope Ben.

Anyone who still subscribes to the "Siri Thesis" after reading the article demolishing it by John Venarri is without hope.

In the words of Fleetwood Mac, "You can go your own wayyyyyy, go your own way."

John Vennari and his pal Mrs Engel have been discussed here b4. They are in the business of trashing Card's Rampolla and Raphael. His pal Mr Hiembichner also gets his kicks that way. I do not trust him at all re: the Siri election.

Gregory I · « **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:24:41 PM »

Saint Jude's Shrine, The Cordi-Marian Fathers.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #18 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:49:41 PM »

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Matthew, I am not hyjaking your thread here either, just replying to a few rude people.

You were really just replying to one rude comment, right? I agree it was rude, but you should have probably responded to that one individual directly so as not to spread even more angst.

I'd like to hear more about some of these groups. Not the colorful characters, just the normal Catholics.

Gregory I · « **Reply #19 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:56:41 PM »

This looks like a rock solid group. I am not sure who any of these bishops are though...

http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/homepage.html

I say ROck solid because there is no Crisis teaching or mention of sedevacantism that I could find.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2012, 04:06:43 AM »

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I'm sure you do tell the truth when you know it. I do question your omniscience, though. And what do you mean, RIP Dawn. She's alright isn't she?

Yeah shes alright. Just RIP as in banned... I believe that was the last status on her here.

No, she's not currently banned. She left on her own.

I actually saw her online about two months ago, but she hasn't posted since December 2010.

Thanks for clarification. I retract my prior posts.

TKGS · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2012, 06:26:07 AM »

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Why do I have a feeling that cathinfo, are wishing that all sedevacantist leave this forum, think of how boring it would be for you, so boring sooner or later you would all leave.

I think this pretty much sums it up. If all the sedevacantists left CathInfo it would become...Angelqueen.

Sigismund · « **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:31:23 AM »

Angels and ministers of grace preserve us. :smile:

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:33:13 PM »

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Fr. Moderator and his dubious priesthood -- slander, etc. on Traditio

Father Moderator (Father Morrison) is a true Priest who is NOT SV.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2012, 06:40:16 PM »

TKGS said:

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I think this pretty much sums it up. If all the sedevacantists left CathInfo it would become...Angelqueen.

Except less funny.

I wonder how much more Matthew will bear though. For a while he was AWOL, I thought maybe he was becoming sede secretly. But then he came back and showed an almost defiant SSPX-y second wind. Hard decisions for Matthew, because without sedes this site will croak, but I wonder how much more he can stand. I feel, for some reason, that the sede position almost got its hooks in him, and he talked himself out of it, that is why he's now going into more full-on aggressive denial.

I think Matthew would have had to at least been slightly sympathetic to sedevacantism the whole time, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to endure the merciless pounding that SSPX sometimes receives here.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #25 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:13:26 PM »

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For a while he was AWOL, I thought maybe he was becoming sede secretly. But then he came back and showed an almost defiant SSPX-y second wind.

Matthew has a family for whom to provide, entailing hours of work: he's a busy man, that's all. The scarcity of his posts did not necessarily mean that he has been convinced of anything that the sedevacantists have presented here or elsewhere, especially since he has entertained his convictions all his life, and they have not changed after decades of adult life as a traditionalist and after Seminary education and extensive exchanges with educated clergy and laity. I doubt internet posts alone would sway him.

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I think Matthew would have had to at least been slightly sympathetic to sedevacantism the whole time, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to endure the merciless pounding that SSPX sometimes receives here.

Indeed, he is not sympathetic to the notion of sedevacantism, rather, he sympathizes with Catholics of the sedevacantist persuasion who endeavor to practice and profess the holy faith, eschewing extremism and fanaticism (such as that of he Dimond Brothers and the various hooligans he has permanently banned in the past) and who try to contribute good things to the forum discussions.

Strictly speaking, if he at some point in the future decides to get rid of the sedevacantists, that is his business because this is his forum after all. I would understand.

I just hope some non-sedevacantist has Cardinal Schuster's The Sacramentary (Liber Sacramentorum): Historical and Liturgical Notes on the Roman Missal or the Byzantine Missal, so that the forum members can still read the pages therefrom...
:thinking:

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #26 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:17:40 PM »

To get back to the subject of the original post:

Matthew, this forum itself has all you need to construct an epitome of the "sedevacantist world," especially since the posts docuмent the various intellectual and spiritual developments that have taken place in the case of individuals and with all the news regarding the organizations and personalities at large in the "sedevacantist world."

It's all here. One just needs to put it together and make a chart, or graph, or something, perhaps using algorithms and statistics, etc.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2012, 09:50:41 PM »

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For a while he was AWOL, I thought maybe he was becoming sede secretly. But then he came back and showed an almost defiant SSPX-y second wind.

Matthew has a family for whom to provide, entailing hours of work: he's a busy man, that's all. The scarcity of his posts did not necessarily mean that he has been convinced of anything that the sedevacantists have presented here or elsewhere, especially since he has entertained his convictions all his life, and they have not changed after decades of adult life as a traditionalist and after Seminary education and extensive exchanges with educated clergy and laity. I doubt internet posts alone would sway him.

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I think Matthew would have had to at least been slightly sympathetic to sedevacantism the whole time, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to endure the merciless pounding that SSPX sometimes receives here.

Indeed, he is not sympathetic to the notion of sedevacantism, rather, he sympathizes with Catholics of the sedevacantist persuasion who endeavor to practice and profess the holy faith, eschewing extremism and fanaticism (such as that of he Dimond Brothers and the various hooligans he has permanently banned in the past) and who try to contribute good things to the forum discussions.

Thanks, Hobble!
I was about to take the time to respond to Raoul's nonsense, but you said it better than I would have.

Matthew · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2012, 10:06:17 PM »

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Why do I have a feeling that cathinfo, are wishing that all sedevacantist leave this forum, think of how boring it would be for you, so boring sooner or later you would all leave.

I think this pretty much sums it up. If all the sedevacantists left CathInfo it would become...Angelqueen.

Yeah, I'm sure -- only for that to happen, I'd have to become John Grasmeier, which isn't likely to happen anytime soon... call me crazy...

Sigismund · « **Reply #29 on:** February 07, 2012, 12:48:12 PM »

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Fr. Moderator and his dubious priesthood -- slander, etc. on Traditio

Father Moderator (Father Morrison) is a true Priest who is NOT SV.

I know he has said in the past that he is no a dede, but he certainly sounds like one. He says that the VC II rites are invalid. Since Benedict XVI was consecrated in the new rite, if it is not valid then he is not a bishop and so can't be the bishop of Rome.