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Gregory of Narek c. 950 – 1003/1011 "non-Catholic" 36th Doctor of the Church ?
« on: January 17, 2022, 09:08:41 AM »
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    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_of_Narek

    On February 23, 2015 Pope Francis declared Gregory of Narek a Doctor of the Church.[40][111][8] On April 12, 2015, on Divine Mercy Sunday, during a Mass for the centennial of the Armenian genocide at St. Peter's Basilica, Pope Francis officially proclaimed Gregory of Narek as Doctor of the Church[4] in attendance of Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan, Catholicos of All Armenians Karekin II, Catholicos of Cilicia Aram I, and Armenian Catholic Patriarch Nerses Bedros XIX Tarmouni.[112] During a Mass on June 25, 2016 in Vartanants Square in Gyumri, Francis stated that he "wished to draw greater attention" to Gregory by making him a Doctor of the Church.[113]
    Gregory became the 36th and the first Armenian Doctor of the Church.[114] He is also the "second saint coming out of the Eastern Church" to become a Doctor[115] and the only Doctor "who was not in communion with the Catholic Church during his lifetime."[116] St. Gregory's proclamation as a Doctor of the Church was commemorated by the Vatican City state with a postage stamp put into circulation on September 2, 2015.[117][118] On 5 April 2018 a two-meter-high bronze statue of Gregory, erected by Davit Yerevantsi, was unveiled at the Vatican Gardens by Mikael Minasyan, Armenia's Ambassador to the Holy See. The inaugural ceremony was attended by Pope Francis, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan, Armenian Apostolic leaders Karekin II and Aram I.[119][120]
    In 2021 the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments established an optional memorial for him on February 27 on the General Roman Calendar.[121][122]
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    Re: Gregory of Narek c. 950 – 1003/1011 "non-Catholic" 36th Doctor of the Church ?
    « Reply #1 on: January 17, 2022, 10:20:42 AM »
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    • Just for the sake of argument, was the situation with the Armenian ecclesial bodies of that time, one of clear-cut "you're either in union with Rome or you're not", or were matters less clearly defined in that part of the world?  Could it be a case of his having been materially schismatic, but not having taught any doctrine contrary or contradictory to that of the Catholic Church?  I'm not familiar with his work, so I cannot say.
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    Re: Gregory of Narek c. 950 – 1003/1011 "non-Catholic" 36th Doctor of the Church ?
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2022, 09:56:29 PM »
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    • Is he actually a miaphysite? I'm seeing some conflicting stuff on this so if I'm wrong please correct me on this. Either way this is just another day, another full-out assault on EENS :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:
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    Re: Gregory of Narek c. 950 – 1003/1011 "non-Catholic" 36th Doctor of the Church ?
    « Reply #3 on: January 20, 2022, 01:16:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on January 17, 2022, 10:20:42 AM
    Just for the sake of argument, was the situation with the Armenian ecclesial bodies of that time, one of clear-cut "you're either in union with Rome or you're not", or were matters less clearly defined in that part of the world?  Could it be a case of his having been materially schismatic, but not having taught any doctrine contrary or contradictory to that of the Catholic Church?  I'm not familiar with his work, so I cannot say.
    It's more likely matters weren't so clearly defined then. Gregory of Narek is a saint of both the schismatics and Armenian Catholic churches.
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    Re: Gregory of Narek c. 950 – 1003/1011 "non-Catholic" 36th Doctor of the Church ?
    « Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 05:09:52 AM »
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    Gregory became the 36th and the first Armenian Doctor of the Church.[114] He is also the "second saint coming out of the Eastern Church" to become a Doctor[115] and the only Doctor "who was not in communion with the Catholic Church during his lifetime."


    So the Armenian schismatics consider him a Doctor of the Church. So? He's obviously NOT a Doctor of the Church unless the true Church says so.
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    Re: Gregory of Narek c. 950 – 1003/1011 "non-Catholic" 36th Doctor of the Church ?
    « Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 09:00:17 AM »
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    • Hmmm did not Francis I make him a Doctor of the Church?

    Unless your saying you believe he is not Apostolic Supreme, that is Head of the Faith of Rome.

    I guess we can all view for ourselves:

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    Re: Gregory of Narek c. 950 – 1003/1011 "non-Catholic" 36th Doctor of the Church ?
    « Reply #6 on: January 20, 2022, 09:31:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: biblioc on January 20, 2022, 09:00:17 AM
    Hmmm did not Francis I make him a Doctor of the Church?

    Unless your saying you believe he is not Apostolic Supreme, that is Head of the Faith of Rome.
    That's what some of us here think.
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