Author Topic: greek orthodox funeral, or a novus orderwedding (Read 6123 times)

Ambrose · « **Reply #25 on:** January 18, 2014, 04:15:09 PM »

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Quote from: gooch
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Gooch, I have highlighted this from MD's quotes:

It is conceivable that even merely passive presence might be accompanied by an internal intention to approve, assent to, or encourage the non-Catholic worship; if that were true it would be formal cooperation in an evil act, and forbidden by the natural law.

From what I can see, this is where they distinguish the "take part" in passive attendance.

Maybe this will help.

Vermont , thanks, I agree if we take the canon alone then yes passive attendance maybe acceptable,the question now becomes do we simply ignore the past statement from popes ? like this one, does this statment not make you think twice? or is it just me?

Pope Pius IX’s encyclical, Graves ac diuturnae. Speaking of the “Old Catholic” heretics and schismatics, Pius IX says:

Pope Pius IX, Graves ac diuturnae (# 4), March 23, 1875: “They [the faithful] should totally shun their religious celebrations, their buildings, and their chairs of pestilence which they have with impunity established to transmit the sacred teachings. They should shun their writings and all contact with them. They should not have any dealings or meetings with usurping priests and apostates from the faith who dare to exercise the duties of an ecclesiastical minister without possessing a legitimate mission or any jurisdiction.”

Someone smarter than me will chime in I hope, but I am going to guess that in this case we would be talking about scandal. Given the time in Church history even passive attendance would be cause for scandal (which is something the aforementioned canon 1258 talks about).

This matter is for simple. Trust the Canon as it is infallibly protected and believe that the Canon cannot harm your soul.

A Catholic should never dig up proof texts against a Sacred Canon. The duty of a Catholic is to believe and obey.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #26 on:** January 18, 2014, 05:59:49 PM »

If an emergency worker was called to a scene at a protestant Church during a service, is he guilty of breaking this commandment?

If you're at a bus-stop and duck into a non-Catholic Church to use the bathroom while a service is going on, same question.

It's obvious that the material act of entering a building which is hosting non-Catholic worship is not sinful. The sin is when one is co-operating, participating or otherwise showing positive approval with the false religion.

Whether or not one sins by being in such a situation depends on several factors, all which have been mentioned already.

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #27 on:** February 03, 2014, 08:22:34 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: 2Vermont
Quote from: gooch
Quote from: 2Vermont
Gooch, I have highlighted this from MD's quotes:

It is conceivable that even merely passive presence might be accompanied by an internal intention to approve, assent to, or encourage the non-Catholic worship; if that were true it would be formal cooperation in an evil act, and forbidden by the natural law.

From what I can see, this is where they distinguish the "take part" in passive attendance.

Maybe this will help.

Vermont , thanks, I agree if we take the canon alone then yes passive attendance maybe acceptable,the question now becomes do we simply ignore the past statement from popes ? like this one, does this statment not make you think twice? or is it just me?

Pope Pius IX’s encyclical, Graves ac diuturnae. Speaking of the “Old Catholic” heretics and schismatics, Pius IX says:

Pope Pius IX, Graves ac diuturnae (# 4), March 23, 1875: “They [the faithful] should totally shun their religious celebrations, their buildings, and their chairs of pestilence which they have with impunity established to transmit the sacred teachings. They should shun their writings and all contact with them. They should not have any dealings or meetings with usurping priests and apostates from the faith who dare to exercise the duties of an ecclesiastical minister without possessing a legitimate mission or any jurisdiction.”

Someone smarter than me will chime in I hope, but I am going to guess that in this case we would be talking about scandal. Given the time in Church history even passive attendance would be cause for scandal (which is something the aforementioned canon 1258 talks about).

This matter is for simple. Trust the Canon as it is infallibly protected and believe that the Canon cannot harm your soul.

A Catholic should never dig up proof texts against a Sacred Canon. The duty of a Catholic is to believe and obey.

can you give me your thoughts on attending
1. the after party of a barmitzvah
2. novus order funeral of a relative
3 Jєωιѕн wedding after party
4. greekorthodox wedding of relative
5 Jєωιѕн edding the ceremony

are all these ok according to the canon if I just attend and sit there?

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #28 on:** February 03, 2014, 09:19:33 PM »

So gooch, did you just wait to forget everything that transpired in this thread to post again?

To each of those instances listed:

Is there a grave reason to attend? If no, then you ought not to go. If yes, then:

Is there danger of perversion or scandal? If yes, then don't go. If no, then:

Is the attendance passive (as defined already within this thread)? If no, then don't go. If yes, then you're OK.

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #29 on:** February 04, 2014, 05:01:01 PM »

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So gooch, did you just wait to forget everything that transpired in this thread to post again?

To each of those instances listed:

Is there a grave reason to attend? If no, then you ought not to go. If yes, then:

Is there danger of perversion or scandal? If yes, then don't go. If no, then:

Is the attendance passive (as defined already within this thread)? If no, then don't go. If yes, then you're OK.

I've been rereading material and I'm not sure..but you say is there a grave reason to attend..what would constitute grave reason....basically it's funerals and batmitzvahs that I don't want to go to but my wife isn't traditional like me..I'm in a tough spot....I thought you were of the opinion that if it' s passive attendance it's ok..now you're telling me if there's no grave reason then even passive attendance is no good?