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« on: May 13, 2014, 02:55:49 AM »
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  •  In a meeting with all of Rome’s seminarians, Pope Francis spoke frankly of the challenges of community life, including the temptation to gossip and the importance of prayer.

    “Seminary life, that is, community life, is very important. Community life is not paradise: rather, it’s purgatory,” he admitted as nearly 6,000 seminarians and priests laughed and cheered in agreement.

    “Gossip is the plague of a community,” Pope Francis stressed to the men gathered in the Vatican’s Paul VI audience hall on May 12. “One speaks to (someone’s) face, always…don’t go a friend’s room to badmouth (someone else).”

    He went on to note that “some say that gossip is a thing of women; but it’s also of men, of us! We gossip enough and that destroys community.”

    The Pope’s meeting with the many seminarians from around the world who are studying in Rome was held in a casual style: he responded in an impromptu manner to their questions, at times with humor but at other moments quite seriously.

    Fr. Eamon O’Higgins, a professor and spiritual father at the Maria Mater Ecclesiae International Seminary, told CNA, “the honesty with which the Holy Father spoke, spoke of his own experience, moved me considerably.”

    Pope Francis used his own experiences to illustrate several pieces of advice he gave to the men.

    Once when he was a young student of philosophy, the Pope recounted, he had gone to his spiritual father to confess that he was angry with someone. “And he asked me only one question: ‘Tell me, have you prayed for him?’ Nothing more. And I said, ‘no.’ And he remained silent. ‘But we have finished,’ he said to me.”

    The seminarians laughed and then the Pope grew more serious.

    “Pray, pray for all the members of the community, but pray especially for those with whom I have problems or for those to whom I don’t wish well, because to not a wish a person well sometimes is a natural thing, instinctive, but pray: and the Lord will do the rest,” he urged them.

    The first question of the meeting had concerned academic formation. The Pope was quick to warn the men, who are studying for different academic degrees in Rome, against the danger of allowing the intellectual life to overshadow other areas of the priesthood.

    “There is a danger of ‘academinanism,’” he cautioned, which must be avoided by living the “four pillars of priestly formation” - spiritual, academic, community, and apostolic.

    “It’s true that here, in Rome, the intellectual formation is emphasized,” he acknowledged, “that’s why you were invited - but the other three pillars must be cultivated.”

    The Pope said he could not understand a seminarian or priest who comes to study in Rome but “does not have a community life - who doesn’t work at, or does not care for- his spiritual life (in) daily Mass, daily prayer, lectio divina, personal prayer with the Lord - or an apostolic life.”

    It is this integrated approach to priesthood that allows the ordained to truly understand the Church. “Studies are necessary, but also prayer,” the Pontiff affirmed.

    “Understand the Church with the eyes of a Christian,” he urged the men. “Understand the Church with the mind of a Christian; understand the Church with the heart of a Christian; understand the Church with the action of a Christian. Otherwise, the Church is not understood, or is badly understood.”

    One seminarian from Uganda who attended the audience told CNA that he was particularly struck by Pope Francis’ remarks regarding the dangers of intellectualism.

    He said he would remember “the first challenge he posed us as seminarians who are studying here in Rome, not to look at only the academic part of it, but also to have… an integral formation so as to better serve the church of God back in our places, to carry the world back to God and God back to the world.”

    Pope Francis also spoke at length about the importance of asking Mary’s intercession in life.

    In difficult times, “the child goes to the mother, always. And we are children, in the spiritual life: never forget this!”

    “In times of turbulence, go to seek refuge under the mantel of the Holy Mother of God. This is what the Russian monks say, and it’s true.”

    Such intercession will help priests in their ministry in the Church, he explained. “A relationship with Mary helps us to have a good relationship with the Church: both are mothers.”

    The Pope then joked, “To say it in another way: if you don’t want the Madonna as a mother, surely you will have her as a mother-in-law, eh? And this is not good!”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/gossip-is-the-plague-of-community-life-pope-tells-seminarians/


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    « Reply #1 on: May 20, 2014, 09:27:51 PM »
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    One seminarian from Uganda who attended the audience told CNA that he was particularly struck by Pope Francis’ remarks regarding the dangers of intellectualism.


    Yeah he doesn't want you to study your faith because then you might find out that he is a phony heretic warlock that should be burned at the stake.

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    This is what the Russian monks say, and it’s true.


    He is not talking about Catholic Russian monks but schismatics.

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    “There is a danger of ‘academinanism,’” he cautioned, which must be avoided by living the “four pillars of priestly formation” - spiritual, academic, community, and apostolic.


    He does not possess an apostolic spirit, or academic or spiritual (how is a protestantized Novus Disordo service valid prayer?). The only thing this man believes in is man, is humanism, is dialectical Marxism. Everything about him is disgusting, wicked wolves like him should be burned with green wood. You should pray for the man to convert, but not as pope. Even Luther deserved some prayers while he was alive, but once there time of mercy is over its too late. his clock is still ticking, get on your knees and hope that he has a change of heart (unlikely but who are we to know the heart of man!?).
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    « Reply #2 on: May 20, 2014, 11:03:02 PM »
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    One seminarian from Uganda who attended the audience told CNA that he was particularly struck by Pope Francis’ remarks regarding the dangers of intellectualism.


    Yeah he doesn't want you to study your faith because then you might find out that he is a phony heretic warlock that should be burned at the stake.

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    This is what the Russian monks say, and it’s true.


    He is not talking about Catholic Russian monks but schismatics.

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    “There is a danger of ‘academinanism,’” he cautioned, which must be avoided by living the “four pillars of priestly formation” - spiritual, academic, community, and apostolic.


    He does not possess an apostolic spirit, or academic or spiritual (how is a protestantized Novus Disordo service valid prayer?). The only thing this man believes in is man, is humanism, is dialectical Marxism. Everything about him is disgusting, wicked wolves like him should be burned with green wood. You should pray for the man to convert, but not as pope. Even Luther deserved some prayers while he was alive, but once there time of mercy is over its too late. his clock is still ticking, get on your knees and hope that he has a change of heart (unlikely but who are we to know the heart of man!?).

    How do you know that Luther is in Hell? He could be in Purgatory, saved by a final repentence at the last moments of his life.  

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    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 11:52:50 PM »
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    One seminarian from Uganda who attended the audience told CNA that he was particularly struck by Pope Francis’ remarks regarding the dangers of intellectualism.


    Yeah he doesn't want you to study your faith because then you might find out that he is a phony heretic warlock that should be burned at the stake.

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    This is what the Russian monks say, and it’s true.


    He is not talking about Catholic Russian monks but schismatics.

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    “There is a danger of ‘academinanism,’” he cautioned, which must be avoided by living the “four pillars of priestly formation” - spiritual, academic, community, and apostolic.


    He does not possess an apostolic spirit, or academic or spiritual (how is a protestantized Novus Disordo service valid prayer?). The only thing this man believes in is man, is humanism, is dialectical Marxism. Everything about him is disgusting, wicked wolves like him should be burned with green wood. You should pray for the man to convert, but not as pope. Even Luther deserved some prayers while he was alive, but once there time of mercy is over its too late. his clock is still ticking, get on your knees and hope that he has a change of heart (unlikely but who are we to know the heart of man!?).

    How do you know that Luther is in Hell? He could be in Purgatory, saved by a final repentence at the last moments of his life.  


    Just like with anything else we can only make judgements based on the external forum. Now tell me did the Church give him a Christian Burial? No, why? Because the church judged on the external forum, based on his actions he never gave any indication of a change of heart until the very end. No testimony, no witnesses, we do have several who were there at his death bed and no one ever indicated otherwise. So we can safely presume he is in Hell, plus Luther has been anathematized to the greatest degree earning a title that is hardly given to other heretics. He is named traditionally a heresiarch, to the likes of arius, nestorius etc... In fact he is the grandaddy of them all and you are so gullible as to say, "How do you know?"

    This is why it is impossible to convince certain people of SV'ism, there simply isn't any common sense left in their intellects.

    Reminds of Dr. White when asked about the atheist Christopher Hitches whether he would go to Hell if he died as an atheist. He said "he does not know" or can "make that judgement." I have to say this is completely the most stupid thing I have ever heard, they have already told you that he died a believing atheist and you still say "you don't know", this is the problem with some that take the non-judgementalism to an extreme degree. You think that it is necessary to be able to read the hearts of men to cast any sort of judgement. Its not, its quite simple all people who live in the real world need to constantly make decisions, some of them need to make real quick moral decisions. You can't simply wait forever, weighing pluses and minuses as the Utilitarians do.

    Most things in life, generally speaking are pretty black and white. This especially applies whether Luther went to Hell, it is very similar in nature whether Judas went to Hell... You can bet he did...
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  • I sure hope, for Luther's own sake, that he did receive the sacraments before dying and that he made a valid confession.

    However, if he had done so, then his receiving the sacraments would be part of Catholic folklore.  Voltaire received the sacraments on his deathbed, or at least requested them.  

    How many souls have fallen into Hell because of Luther and his lies?  I am sure, no doubt, that he was led on by deceiving Jєωs who enticed him with lies of their own but the follower of deception bears responsibility for his own actions.