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Lover of Truth · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2010, 06:20:41 PM »

The Angelic Doctor wrote 300 years before the printing press was invented. For hundreds of years after the printing press was invented even the Bible was not available to the common man.

How many people saw what the Angelic Doctor had to write in the 1200's other than clergy? And Thomas would not want people reading or publically discussing certain parts of his writings but only clergy or married people.

Also crack-pot theologians or those who act as if they are by broadcasting their errors all over the internet for the world to see are not the Angelic Doctor.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2010, 12:37:32 AM »

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I wrote Tom (and many others) about NFP and he did respond to me.

Let me just say we submit our will to the Church unlike those who hold themselves above it.

No, don't flatter yourself. You are picking and choosing just like me. You just haven't done as good a job. There is absolutely no reason at all why we should accept John XXIII as the first anti-Pope, when Pius XII was a true radical who, right before Vatican II, changed the Church teaching on EENS and taught NFP.

If you can figure out that the VII Magisterium contradicts the Magisterium of the true Catholic Church, you can figure out that the Pius XII Magisterium does the same. No excuse is possible for you.

You "submit your will to the Church"? You mean accept everything you are handed by usurpers, like NFP? Then get back in the Novus Ordo, bub. Say it -- Muslims together with us worship the one true God!

Lover_of_truth said:

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Some things will not be clarified until we get a Pope or die. Until then avoid pontificating on the thorny issues as if you know more than the clergy who have been trained to speak to the issues.

Trained by who, Francis Schuckardt? Who do you think the sedevacantist clergy are, Lover of Truth, do you think they are superstars of theology? The CMRI priests, for the most part, grew up on a cult compound with a crazy gαy guy, and I'll refer you to the controversy on SGG for yourself.

You yourself complain about the clergy constantly, the SSPV, who I know nothing about.

Lover_of_Truth said:

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"Guys like you, the brothers, Ibrani (the ultimate nut-case) and CM."

The Feeneyites are closer to being Catholic than you, although they are rash and injurious. That is how I see it.

Instead of worrying about who is "nuts," follow the doctrine. CMRI believes that a Jew can be saved who dies in his false religion, while rejecting Christ. Do you believe this HERESY?

You can blame me all you want, but the real enemies are the liberals who achieved a stranglehold over the Church. They have made it so that no one who teaches the true faith can become a priest. Doesn't it strike you as odd that these priests ALL believe in salvation in false religions and salvation in invincible ignorance, that there is not one priest who holds the true EENS position of St. Alphonsus, St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Thomas, St. Augustine, and so on?

Elizabeth · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2010, 12:53:18 AM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

The Angelic Doctor wrote 300 years before the printing press was invented. For hundreds of years after the printing press was invented even the Bible was not available to the common man.

How many people saw what the Angelic Doctor had to write in the 1200's other than clergy? And Thomas would not want people reading or publically discussing certain parts of his writings but only clergy or married people.

Also crack-pot theologians or those who act as if they are by broadcasting their errors all over the internet for the world to see are not the Angelic Doctor.

Good points, John.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2010, 12:49:49 PM »

Thanks Elizabeth. My heart goes out to the likes of Raoul, CM, and even the brothers and Ibrani. They are bigger than the Church but I'm hoping they get reigned back in before they die. The ones that would cast us into Hell are the ones we pray will be saved, despite their errors and heresies, due to their sincerity.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2010, 12:57:58 PM »

Raoul, it is a waste of time to publically rehash the old arguments over and over again. If you want to learn or to try to "convert" me write me at one of my personal addresses.